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stpeter
bear: I'm making progress on the FOSDEM scheduling...
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_mido_
س
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ralphm
stpeter: good job on the schedule
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ralphm
no sessions after 17:00?
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stpeter
ralphm: actually, I'm adding a break at 14:00 and I'm just about to add another talk on the schedule (for 17:30-17:45)
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stpeter
it's not good to have no break :)
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ralphm
stpeter: ah, they mentioned not actually putting an item for a break
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stpeter
oh really?
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ralphm
yes
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stpeter
so how do we handle that?
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stpeter
no break, or just don't list it?
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ralphm
don't list it
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stpeter
sure, that's easy enough :)
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stpeter
ah good, I see that https://fosdem.org/2013/schedule/day/saturday/ is up to date (sort of)
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ralphm
from the list:
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ralphm
I noticed that Jeremy put a "wine lunch break" in the schedule. I don't think that's really necessary. I think the schedule is a lot cleaner if there's an empty slot where lunchtime takes place, rather than a slot that says 'lunch break'. - Philip
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stpeter
right
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stpeter
I'm still way behind on email, although I did get under 1000 messages today ;-)
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ralphm
I guess you are not actually on that list
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stpeter
good, so I have two excuses ;-)
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ralphm
next time I should use an organisational address
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stpeter
sure we can set up fosdem@xmpp.org
- stpeter goes back into pentabarf to edit times later in the day
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ralphm
are you putting in a lightning talks slot?
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stpeter
I'm happy to do so
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stpeter
would you like that in the middle of the afternoon, or at the end (or both)?
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ralphm
let's see
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stpeter
we could do 30 minutes of lightning talks after the break (at 14:30)
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ralphm
yeah
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stpeter
I always like the "stump the experts / general discussion" slot
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stpeter
people find that helpful
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ralphm
Do the colors have a meaning?
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stpeter
I don't think so
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ralphm
oh sure!
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stpeter
ok, I'm going to put that after XMPP 101, then
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stpeter
seems like a good time to get general questions out of the way
- ralphm nods
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stpeter
I'll put you in charge of that session ;-)
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ralphm
that'd be good
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ralphm
I'll bring that hat
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stpeter
heehee
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stpeter
me too
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ralphm
I was thinking (way too late now) that having an XMPP fleece jacket would be nice, too.
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stpeter
yeah
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stpeter
next year ;-)
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stpeter
http://wiki.xmpp.org:12480/web/FOSDEM_2013#Give_a_Devroom_Talk
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stpeter
updated
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stpeter
now updating in Penta
- stpeter wonders why everything in Penta defaults to FOSDEM11 :)
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ralphm
heh
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ralphm
probably a configuration thing that they haven't fully digested
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ralphm
this stuff was created for ccc
- stpeter nods
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stpeter
ok
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stpeter
all data updated
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stpeter
now we wait for https://fosdem.org/2013/schedule/day/saturday/ to be updated
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stpeter
I assume they have a cron job for that :)
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ralphm
yay
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stpeter
I think I didn't add some of the biographies
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stpeter
or didn't receive them
- stpeter checks
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ralphm
at least one new item now :-)
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stpeter
do we need to provide email address for all speakers?
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stpeter
I suppose it can't hurt, eh?
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stpeter
done
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stpeter
brb, need tea :)
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stpeter
maybe I'll give a lightning talk about "the challenges of running a large public IM service and what we need to fix"
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ralphm
:-)
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ralphm
stpeter: do away with the users :-)
- stpeter volunteers some people for http://wiki.xmpp.org:12480/web/Summit_13#Short_Talks_and_General_Updates without asking them :P
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stpeter
ok
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stpeter
https://fosdem.org/2013/schedule/day/saturday/ is done
- stpeter posts to the summit@ list
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stpeter
hi Jef
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stpeter
Jef: see the last talk at the FOSDEM schedule pasted above -- someone is very excited about your File Information Sharing proposal :)
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Jef
stpeter, who is?
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Lance
which xep is that? is it still in inbox?
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stpeter
Diana Cionoiu -- she works http://yate.null.ro/pmwiki/
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Jef
It is still in inboc
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stpeter
Lance: yeah we need to get it out of that damn inbox
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Jef
I 've been having problems with it. I need someone to tell me what's wrong
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Lance
what's the name for it?
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stpeter
Jef: my apologies, I haven't had time to really look at it carefully, but I'll need to do that before FOSDEM
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stpeter
http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/fis.html
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Lance
nice. thanks
- Lance starts reading
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stpeter
Lance: thank Jef, he did all the work ;-)
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Jef
lol, it needs much more work
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Jef
I can't find the talk
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Lance
https://fosdem.org/2013/schedule/event/xmpp_file_sharing/
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stpeter
yep
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Jef
thanks
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Jef
OMG! she is calling it awesome
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stpeter
oh hmph, they want me to update the speak bios from past years?
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Jef
I think I'm going to cry
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stpeter
heh
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Jef
I'm so happy
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stpeter
I am pretty sure she was talking about your proposal -- we had a brief IM chat about it a bit earlier but she had to run before I had a chance to verify :)
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Jef
when will the video be posted?
- stpeter posts http://xmpp.org/2013/01/the-fosdem-schedule-is-set/
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stpeter
Jef: we will try to stream it via Hangouts and YouTube (yeah, I know, sorry)
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Jef
xD
- Lance finishes reading fis
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Lance
not bad. i would have imagined it working over disco though
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Jef
that's how xep-135 does it
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stpeter
right
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stpeter
I need to look at them both :)
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stpeter
135 was just an initial exploration
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Jef
well, certainly Diana has given me a lot of motivation to conclude the work
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stpeter
great!
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Jef
I will be sending you something this week, and send me an email whenever you like at: jefry.reyes@gmail.com
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stpeter
super
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stpeter
I will try to review them both tonight
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Jef
;)
- Lance ponders
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Lance
135 style disco plus http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/xml-media-element.html in an identity extension to include the file metadata element
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Lance
meh, the wrapping part borders too much on the ugly side
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Jef
Lance, I thought 135 was ugly, but then I couldn't make fis much less ugly
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Jef
I need feedback on fis
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Jef
Lance, how do you think it could be better?
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Lance
conceptually, you have it at about as good as can be
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Lance
you're doing better traffic wise than disco by allowing metadata inline with listings
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Lance
the xml can be tidied up, proper namespaces, etc
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Lance
i do prefer the disco route because that's the standard way of discovering things and related items, and tools exist to browse it already
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Lance
but meh, whatever. if it works it works
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Lance
the only other thing i see is with the searching, since you would need to just go with a dataform immediately
- Lance wishes jabber:iq:search included a node parameter
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Jef
Lance, it is, isn't it?
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Jef
it is included
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Jef
wait.. what do you mean as a node parameter?
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Lance
no, i meant if it allowed you to do <query xmlns="jabber:iq:search" node="urn:xmpp:fis">
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Jef
uhmm...
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Jef
is that possible?
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Lance
not with xep-0055 as is
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Jef
xep-55 is a little restrictive
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Lance
which i guessed was why you were making the search query a child of the fis match element
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Jef
a bloody mess
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Lance
is the inbox version your latest draft? or have you made edits since then?
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Jef
no haven't, life has been kicking my butt lately
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Jef
how do you think disco can be included?
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Jef
not for the search I suppose?
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Lance
use disco to walk the file tree and get file names, and use a fis request to get the metadata for a file/directory that you've found
- stpeter nods to Lance
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Jef
good
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Lance
the downside to that is it can't provide the file meta during the walk process
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Lance
but, it can provide the minimum you're required, which is just the names
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Lance
well, it can include the full meta data, but that requires an x-form with the xml wrapper element
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Lance
but that's where it starts getting ugly
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Jef
yea... thats what I was trying to avoid, uglyness
- Lance nod
- Jef nods
- Jef strokes his bear and nods
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Lance
i'll whip up some examples to see how things can be tidied up, as is without disco
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Jef
that would be awesome
- stpeter perhaps senses a topic to discuss at the XMPP Summit in Brussels :)
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Lance
it will be discussed at fosdem for sure
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Jef
:)