Tuesday, January 22, 2013
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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[19:46:06] <stpeter> bear: I'm making progress on the FOSDEM scheduling...
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[20:20:45] <_mido_> س
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[21:47:36] <ralphm> stpeter: good job on the schedule
[21:48:07] <ralphm> no sessions after 17:00?
[21:49:01] <stpeter> ralphm: actually, I'm adding a break at 14:00 and I'm just about to add another talk on the schedule (for 17:30-17:45)
[21:49:28] <stpeter> it's not good to have no break :)
[21:49:32] <ralphm> stpeter: ah, they mentioned not actually putting an item for a break
[21:49:39] <stpeter> oh really?
[21:49:41] <ralphm> yes
[21:49:54] <stpeter> so how do we handle that?
[21:49:59] <stpeter> no break, or just don't list it?
[21:50:09] <ralphm> don't list it
[21:50:15] <stpeter> sure, that's easy enough :)
[21:50:31] <stpeter> ah good, I see that https://fosdem.org/2013/schedule/day/saturday/ is up to date (sort of)
[21:50:37] <ralphm> from the list:
[21:50:39] <ralphm> I noticed that Jeremy put a "wine lunch break" in the schedule. I don't
think that's really necessary. I think the schedule is a lot cleaner if
there's an empty slot where lunchtime takes place, rather than a slot
that says 'lunch break'.

- Philip

[21:50:51] <stpeter> right
[21:51:06] <stpeter> I'm still way behind on email, although I did get under 1000 messages today ;-)
[21:51:07] <ralphm> I guess you are not actually on that list
[21:51:28] <stpeter> good, so I have two excuses ;-)
[21:51:29] <ralphm> next time I should use an organisational address
[21:51:40] <stpeter> sure we can set up fosdem@xmpp.org
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[21:52:33] *stpeter goes back into pentabarf to edit times later in the day
[21:52:45] <ralphm> are you putting in a lightning talks slot?
[21:53:00] <stpeter> I'm happy to do so
[21:53:15] <stpeter> would you like that in the middle of the afternoon, or at the end (or both)?
[21:53:37] <ralphm> let's see
[21:55:29] <stpeter> we could do 30 minutes of lightning talks after the break (at 14:30)
[21:55:34] <ralphm> yeah
[21:56:02] <stpeter> I always like the "stump the experts / general discussion" slot
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[21:56:16] <stpeter> people find that helpful
[21:56:45] <ralphm> Do the colors have a meaning?
[21:56:50] <stpeter> I don't think so
[21:56:52] <ralphm> oh sure!
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[21:57:31] <stpeter> ok, I'm going to put that after XMPP 101, then
[21:57:52] <stpeter> seems like a good time to get general questions out of the way
[21:58:39] *ralphm nods
[21:59:02] <stpeter> I'll put you in charge of that session ;-)
[21:59:14] <ralphm> that'd be good
[21:59:33] <ralphm> I'll bring that hat
[21:59:39] <stpeter> heehee
[21:59:42] <stpeter> me too
[22:00:11] <ralphm> I was thinking (way too late now) that having an XMPP fleece jacket would be nice, too.
[22:00:19] <stpeter> yeah
[22:00:21] <stpeter> next year ;-)
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[22:03:33] <stpeter> http://wiki.xmpp.org:12480/web/FOSDEM_2013#Give_a_Devroom_Talk
[22:03:34] <stpeter> updated
[22:03:41] <stpeter> now updating in Penta
[22:06:13] *stpeter wonders why everything in Penta defaults to FOSDEM11 :)
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[22:07:42] <ralphm> heh
[22:07:56] <ralphm> probably a configuration thing that they haven't fully digested
[22:08:03] <ralphm> this stuff was created for ccc
[22:08:08] *stpeter nods
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[22:18:03] <stpeter> ok
[22:18:09] <stpeter> all data updated
[22:18:21] <stpeter> now we wait for https://fosdem.org/2013/schedule/day/saturday/ to be updated
[22:18:37] <stpeter> I assume they have a cron job for that :)
[22:20:43] <ralphm> yay
[22:21:02] <stpeter> I think I didn't add some of the biographies
[22:21:06] <stpeter> or didn't receive them
[22:21:08] *stpeter checks
[22:21:31] <ralphm> at least one new item now :-)
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[22:25:57] <stpeter> do we need to provide email address for all speakers?
[22:26:23] <stpeter> I suppose it can't hurt, eh?
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[22:30:35] <stpeter> done
[22:31:00] <stpeter> brb, need tea :)
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[22:34:59] <stpeter> maybe I'll give a lightning talk about "the challenges of running a large public IM service and what we need to fix"
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[22:46:01] <ralphm> :-)
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[22:46:18] <ralphm> stpeter: do away with the users :-)
[22:46:39] *stpeter volunteers some people for http://wiki.xmpp.org:12480/web/Summit_13#Short_Talks_and_General_Updates without asking them :P
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[22:47:50] <stpeter> ok
[22:47:52] <stpeter> https://fosdem.org/2013/schedule/day/saturday/ is done
[22:48:08] *stpeter posts to the summit@ list
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[22:58:50] <stpeter> hi Jef
[22:59:38] <stpeter> Jef: see the last talk at the FOSDEM schedule pasted above -- someone is very excited about your File Information Sharing proposal :)
[23:01:28] <Jef> stpeter, who is?
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[23:02:07] <Lance> which xep is that? is it still in inbox?
[23:02:15] <stpeter> Diana Cionoiu -- she works http://yate.null.ro/pmwiki/
[23:02:17] <Jef> It is still in inboc
[23:02:26] <stpeter> Lance: yeah we need to get it out of that damn inbox
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[23:03:29] <Jef> I 've been having problems with it. I need someone to tell me what's wrong
[23:03:43] <Lance> what's the name for it?
[23:03:51] <stpeter> Jef: my apologies, I haven't had time to really look at it carefully, but I'll need to do that before FOSDEM
[23:03:59] <stpeter> http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/fis.html
[23:04:26] <Lance> nice. thanks
[23:04:28] *Lance starts reading
[23:04:41] <stpeter> Lance: thank Jef, he did all the work ;-)
[23:04:56] <Jef> lol, it needs much more work
[23:05:03] <Jef> I can't find the talk
[23:05:14] <Lance> https://fosdem.org/2013/schedule/event/xmpp_file_sharing/
[23:05:19] <stpeter> yep
[23:05:20] <Jef> thanks
[23:05:50] <Jef> OMG! she is calling it awesome
[23:05:50] <stpeter> oh hmph, they want me to update the speak bios from past years?
[23:05:57] <Jef> I think I'm going to cry
[23:06:07] <stpeter> heh
[23:06:22] <Jef> I'm so happy
[23:06:46] <stpeter> I am pretty sure she was talking about your proposal -- we had a brief IM chat about it a bit earlier but she had to run before I had a chance to verify :)
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[23:08:06] <Jef> when will the video be posted?
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[23:08:54] *stpeter posts http://xmpp.org/2013/01/the-fosdem-schedule-is-set/
[23:09:25] <stpeter> Jef: we will try to stream it via Hangouts and YouTube (yeah, I know, sorry)
[23:09:35] <Jef> xD
[23:10:46] *Lance finishes reading fis
[23:11:01] <Lance> not bad. i would have imagined it working over disco though
[23:11:37] <Jef> that's how xep-135 does it
[23:11:42] <stpeter> right
[23:12:02] <stpeter> I need to look at them both :)
[23:12:15] <stpeter> 135 was just an initial exploration
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[23:14:13] <Jef> well, certainly Diana has given me a lot of motivation to conclude the work
[23:14:23] <stpeter> great!
[23:14:57] <Jef> I will be sending you something this week, and send me an email whenever you like at: jefry.reyes@gmail.com
[23:15:39] <stpeter> super
[23:15:56] <stpeter> I will try to review them both tonight
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[23:17:21] <Jef> ;)
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[23:24:52] *Lance ponders
[23:25:21] <Lance> 135 style disco plus http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/xml-media-element.html in an identity extension to include the file metadata element
[23:27:00] <Lance> meh, the wrapping part borders too much on the ugly side
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[23:28:12] <Jef> Lance, I thought 135 was ugly, but then I couldn't make fis much less ugly
[23:29:01] <Jef> I need feedback on fis
[23:29:22] <Jef> Lance, how do you think it could be better?
[23:30:19] <Lance> conceptually, you have it at about as good as can be
[23:30:38] <Lance> you're doing better traffic wise than disco by allowing metadata inline with listings
[23:30:59] <Lance> the xml can be tidied up, proper namespaces, etc
[23:32:00] <Lance> i do prefer the disco route because that's the standard way of discovering things and related items, and tools exist to browse it already
[23:32:15] <Lance> but meh, whatever. if it works it works
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[23:34:02] <Lance> the only other thing i see is with the searching, since you would need to just go with a dataform immediately
[23:35:24] *Lance wishes jabber:iq:search included a node parameter
[23:36:03] <Jef> Lance, it is, isn't it?
[23:36:19] <Jef> it is included
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[23:36:50] <Jef> wait.. what do you mean as a node parameter?
[23:37:02] <Lance> no, i meant if it allowed you to do <query xmlns="jabber:iq:search" node="urn:xmpp:fis">
[23:37:29] <Jef> uhmm...
[23:37:40] <Jef> is that possible?
[23:37:56] <Lance> not with xep-0055 as is
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[23:38:14] <Jef> xep-55 is a little restrictive
[23:38:43] <Lance> which i guessed was why you were making the search query a child of the fis match element
[23:38:59] <Jef> a bloody mess
[23:40:23] <Lance> is the inbox version your latest draft? or have you made edits since then?
[23:40:46] <Jef> no haven't, life has been kicking my butt lately
[23:42:11] <Jef> how do you think disco can be included?
[23:42:22] <Jef> not for the search I suppose?
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[23:43:49] <Lance> use disco to walk the file tree and get file names, and use a fis request to get the metadata for a file/directory that you've found
[23:44:08] *stpeter nods to Lance
[23:44:21] <Jef> good
[23:44:22] <Lance> the downside to that is it can't provide the file meta during the walk process
[23:44:42] <Lance> but, it can provide the minimum you're required, which is just the names
[23:45:18] <Lance> well, it can include the full meta data, but that requires an x-form with the xml wrapper element
[23:45:28] <Lance> but that's where it starts getting ugly
[23:46:01] <Jef> yea... thats what I was trying to avoid, uglyness
[23:46:12] *Lance nod
[23:46:23] *Jef nods
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[23:46:44] *Jef strokes his bear and nods
[23:47:08] <Lance> i'll whip up some examples to see how things can be tidied up, as is without disco
[23:47:46] <Jef> that would be awesome
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[23:49:09] *stpeter perhaps senses a topic to discuss at the XMPP Summit in Brussels :)
[23:49:24] <Lance> it will be discussed at fosdem for sure
[23:49:38] <Jef> :)
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