XSF Discussion - 2013-02-22

bear: don't forget bosh updates. I'm catching up on mine

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I haven't (completely) - working on some last night and will again later

drive by comment: (heading out for a walk) -- I started the whole github thread knowing that I would be asking kev and peter for access to start working on its infrastructure

I don't understand what the underlying aim with GitHub is.

my goal is to document github, web page and wiki config and setup so that 1) we have docs and 2) it's easier for a small infra team to manage

I'd be much happier with us doing anything about it if I knew what the perceived benefit was.

the conversation quickly expanded beyond what I was asking

I just thought about having it as a read-only mirror

We already have that on gitorious.

but then I got to thinking about making it bi-directional when kurt brought up TOS

So I'm not sure what going to github buys is there.

yea, but github has a much nicer interface and (this is my personal thought) I'm already using it every single day so why not enable it also

I'm not strictly opposed to mirroring to github.

The reward doesn't seem significant to me, but neither does the cost.

so I figured small steps

Although the moment people start trying to send in pull requests via github things suddenly become much more 'interesting'.

the core part of this is, basically: if it's a low cost item to add another way of viewing XFS data then why not

Kev and that's Kurt's point about terms of service, IPR considerations, etc

but +1 on basic mirroring

I'm not sure what that's Kurt's point, when I raised it first, but oh well!

right, and it is that interesting part that has me thinking of how to solve it - but that is a future change

:)

I don't see why that would add value to us, and it seems like lots of pain.

I'm happy to delay having that argument until we want to do it, but there will be an argument.

By which I obviously mean a healthy debate between great minds.

lets get the mirroring up and then read the TOS and see how scary it is

LOL

Well, the ToS hit us the moment we mirror.

is it that onerous?

At the time, they were onerous enough that we weren't willing to host Swift there, IIRC.

How they've changed in the interim who knows...

hmm, I will have to read it - and then go check on my own repos

ok, that will be homework for next board meeting - right now i need to run and then later finish my bosh patches

Enjoy.

And thanks for trying to Do Stuff.

i don't really see how the github ToS is very controversial

as i read it, it seems to be quite explicit about github *not* owning any copyright or IP

Yeah, I'd be interested in that too

On github vs. gitorious, besides legal issues, I think people are just more familiar with github. The only reason I have a gitorious account is because I wanted to see how cloning the xmpp repo would work. I find their way horrible.

ISTR the problem I had with it long ago (for Swift) wasn't assigning copyright, but granting a license, including granting a license to code I don't own, and therefore can't grant them a license.

e.g. BSD code in Swiften.

This would likely not apply to the XSF.

granting a license to github, so that they publish and copy repos?

Yes.

ok, let me look at that language, if i can find it

This was years ago, and it may not exist anymore, and isn't pertinent to the XSF anyway.

I agree that'd be kind of useful for the thing to work

Or probably wouldn't. IANAL to judge.

Kev: but for you BSD example, how would that be a problem? Did they require *you* granting that license, or that they effectively have such license?

That I grant the license.

IIRC.

that'd be weird

But this was a number of years ago, and I don't remember what I did this afternoon, let alone back then.

i don't see anything like that in the github tos

seems like they try to indemnify themselves to the hilt. I would think that a requirement to grant them license might even be contradictory to indemnification.

No idea. I admit that the XSF's IPR policy in general scares me, in my ignorant non-lawyerish state.

lol

Not sure it's funny!

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tosdr/lOG7XeUi-3E

waqas reminder: http://tracker.xmpp.org/ is always down :/

and also:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/tosdr/github/tosdr/9epXl7ZDb7c/Hksr3zcE-xcJ

in the same time, a good news Debian 7 RC1 is out ;)

And there was much rejoicing. ⚐