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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[15:18:19] <ralphm> https://plus.google.com/113169713749496726739/posts/g2h4vS1GoCj
[15:19:36] <MattJ> Wrooong logo
[15:19:46] <ralphm> yeah whatever
[15:19:49] <MattJ> :)
[15:20:09] <ralphm> also, by the way, an awesome logo, if I may say so
[15:20:15] <MattJ> Heh, true :)
[15:20:42] <MattJ> Anything new in the article though?
[15:20:46] <ralphm> (I made that particular picture with .org in it)
[15:21:18] <MattJ> I don't fancy reading another article based on facts I know filled in with suspicions the author derives from them
[15:21:47] <ralphm> MattJ: I guess you will be disappointed by eh, basically all reporting
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[15:22:36] <MattJ> Right :)
[15:23:21] <ralphm> however, apparently the press can interact with Google, unlike us
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[15:25:57] <stpeter> ralphm: actually, a journalist did send me an email message at 3:30 on the Friday of a holiday weekend when I happened to be on PTO for the long weekend, if you call that interaction
[15:26:14] <ralphm> stpeter: I know I know
[15:26:23] <stpeter> :P
[15:26:31] <ralphm> stpeter: we should have such mail go to multiple people
[15:26:48] <stpeter> ralphm: let me check what address they used
[15:27:42] <stpeter> actually it was info@xmpp.org
[15:28:21] <ralphm> right
[15:28:30] <ralphm> and that only ends up with you, I suppose?
[15:28:43] <stpeter> currently, yes
[15:28:56] <stpeter> I've never seen anyone use that before :-)
[15:31:14] <ralphm> well, it is on the contact page of the xmpp.org site
[15:31:19] <ralphm> hard to find, too
[15:31:59] <ralphm> I never considered clicking on 'participate' to find the contact information
[15:32:15] <ralphm> I'd expect that page in the 'About' menu
[15:32:18] <MattJ> I went About->XMPP Standards Foundation->Contact
[15:32:30] <ralphm> MattJ: yeah, that works, too
[15:33:02] <MattJ> We should definitely make it easier
[15:33:22] <ralphm> most orgs have a footer with such details
[15:33:28] <ralphm> (for example)
[15:33:29] <MattJ> Is the website still changing? I've been trying to keep out of that affair this time round...
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[15:38:01] <stpeter> MattJ: good idea
[15:38:25] <stpeter> Simon offered to help with website, but I seem to have missed the email message in which he made that offer
[15:42:56] <ralphm> regarding that article I just linked, no joy. Definitely no s2s.
[15:44:01] <stpeter> ralphm: I didn't think so
[15:44:10] <ralphm> stpeter: me neither
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[15:53:33] <ralphm> Man, it is hard to keep up with conversions on Google Plus
[15:53:36] <ralphm> https://plus.google.com/112648813199640203443/posts/d4M9tr9KV2d
[15:53:49] <ralphm> some interesting comments by Jan Wildeboer
[15:53:56] <ralphm> apparently I am a head honcho
[15:56:23] <ralphm> Also, here with Evan Prodromou and Joseph Smarr:
https://plus.google.com/104323674441008487802/posts/Bn4yH1WYvRs
[16:04:09] <MattJ> and the problem with getting too concerned about what people think about you, or the stuff you create, is that you end up finding wisdom like:
[16:04:12] <MattJ> "The problem with XMPP is that it requires several open ports (5222, 5223, 5269, 5298, 8010) on the client, on the technical and practical standpoint the reason why XMPP is unpopular to big players because many businesses won't be bothered to open their ports"
[16:04:57] <stpeter> MattJ: I prefer to do some work, rather than talk about it -- I guess that's why I'm not a PR person
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[16:05:19] <MattJ> :)
[16:05:34] <stpeter> so if there are problems, let's fix them
[16:05:40] <MattJ> I laughed when I read your quote in the article
[16:05:56] <stpeter> oh I haven't read the article
[16:06:18] <MattJ> It was just your tweet about moving forward
[16:06:33] <stpeter> ah
[16:07:53] <stpeter> time for another conference call here... :-)
[16:08:04] <MattJ> Enjoy, mine was cancelled :)
[16:08:55] <stpeter> hmm, this one is 90 minutes...
[16:08:56] <stpeter> yay
[16:10:51] <stpeter> these people who pay me have discovered that I can be useful inside the company instead of just doing all that external standards stuff :P
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[16:11:13] <MattJ> Wow
[16:11:22] <MattJ> You should have been more careful :)
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[17:38:36] <Lloyd> Hi guys, going to try broadcasting from this URL, not starting for 30 or so minutes yet though - https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/543846eb1d85513f7fc3390e388c0f177b33ac63?authuser=1&hl=en-GB
[17:41:09] <MattJ> The irony ;)
[17:41:19] <MattJ> But thanks :)
[17:41:31] <ralphm> Oh come on, the joke is old now
[17:43:54] <Lloyd> indeed )
[17:47:38] <Lloyd> This is probably a better URL will attempt to find a better microphone
[17:47:42] <Lloyd> http://bit.ly/175jVmw
[17:56:29] <Lance> thanks for the feed Lloyd!
[17:56:33] *Lance watches
[17:57:55] <Lloyd> No better microphone I'm afraid. Hopefully laptop will be clever enough to pick up and cancel out background noise. Making notes for next time!
[17:58:13] <Lloyd> Any feedback on camera angle/etc appreciated.
[17:58:23] <Lloyd> Going to raid mozilla beer fridge first :)
[18:12:45] <Lloyd> about to get started but there's a good delay on the youtube broadcast. Hope microphone is ok!
[18:32:44] <ralphm> Lloyd: the screen is unreadable
[18:54:16] <ralphm> Lloyd or whoever is typing. We can hear you!
[18:58:53] <stpeter> I'm at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RroA2NzzX64&feature=youtu.be -- is that semi-correct?
[18:59:02] <Lloyd> Looks right
[18:59:18] <stpeter> OK :)
[18:59:18] <Lloyd> Sorry guys mic not great, and camera neither. I need to buy a better webcam!
[18:59:45] <Lloyd> Next talk is about go, but live over hangouts from Buffalo, NY so should be very clear
[18:59:59] <stpeter> I think I have no audio, but perhaps that's because the sound is emanating far from the mic
[19:00:01] <Lloyd> After that its Ash Ward on WebRTC, then Florian on scaling in realtime using xmpp
[19:00:08] <Lloyd> Audio is off at present
[19:00:20] <Lloyd> We're eating pizza, but its not great any way I'm afraid
[19:00:21] <stpeter> heh ok
[19:00:27] <stpeter> sorry to hear it!
[19:01:12] *stpeter is eating lunch while you're eating dinner :P
[19:01:20] *MattJ is in-between
[19:01:36] <stpeter> MattJ: what time zone do you really live in? ;-)
[19:01:48] <MattJ> That varies from week to week :)
[19:01:51] <stpeter> heh
[19:02:02] <stpeter> we used to joke that Jer lived on Hawaii time
[19:02:23] <MattJ> I woke at 5am UTC yesterday, and 11am UTC today
[19:02:24] <Lance> I'm on whatever time lets me get a bit more sleep
[19:02:33] <MattJ> I should try making graphs
[19:04:33] <ralphm> graphs. I love graphs
[19:05:17] <MattJ> I've been recording the <show> of all participants in the Prosody MUC at 5 minute intervals for over a year
[19:05:40] <MattJ> Tobias made an initial graph of it, but it wasn't too interesting
[19:19:22] <MattJ> .
[19:19:48] <MattJ> Time to bump jabber.org again I guess
[19:20:58] <MattJ> Wait...
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