Friday, September 27, 2013
xsf@muc.xmpp.org
September
Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat Sun
            1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
26
27
28
29
30
           
XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

[00:16:27] *** stpeter shows as "xa" and his status message is "wandered off..."
[00:35:09] *** stpeter has left the room
[00:35:09] *** stpeter has joined the room
[00:40:21] *** MattJ shows as "away"
[01:41:25] *** Lance has joined the room
[01:41:25] *** Lance shows as "online"
[02:26:51] *** Lance shows as "away"
[02:27:52] *** Lance shows as "online"
[02:56:22] *** Lance shows as "online"
[02:56:23] *** Lance shows as "online"
[02:56:25] *** Lance has left the room
[02:56:39] *** Lance shows as "online"
[02:56:39] *** Lance shows as "online"
[02:57:45] *** Lance has left the room
[02:58:30] *** Lance shows as "online"
[02:58:30] *** Lance shows as "online"
[03:20:01] *** Lance has left the room
[04:22:58] *** stpeter has left the room
[04:28:51] *** Lance has left the room
[05:39:14] *** intosi@ik.nu shows as "away" and his status message is "Away"
[05:58:04] *** Lance has joined the room
[05:58:05] *** Lance shows as "online"
[06:32:34] *** Lance shows as "away"
[06:37:21] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[06:38:36] *** Alex has joined the room
[06:39:45] *** intosi@ik.nu shows as "away" and his status message is "Away"
[06:39:52] *** intosi@ik.nu shows as "online"
[06:44:37] *** Neustradamus has left the room
[06:53:38] *** Lance shows as "online"
[07:01:35] *** Kev shows as "online"
[07:07:31] *** Steffen Larsen has joined the room
[07:07:31] *** Steffen Larsen shows as "online"
[07:07:40] *** Steffen Larsen shows as "online"
[07:07:41] *** Steffen Larsen shows as "online"
[07:08:50] *** Steffen Larsen shows as "online"
[07:11:10] *** Steffen Larsen has left the room
[07:46:10] *** ralphm shows as "away" and his status message is "Away as a result of being idle"
[07:46:16] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[08:09:26] *** bear has joined the room
[08:09:39] *** bear shows as "away" and his status message is "Away"
[08:12:13] *** Kev shows as "away"
[08:13:56] *** Kev shows as "online"
[08:23:33] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[08:28:33] *** ralphm shows as "away" and his status message is "Auto-away (idle)"
[09:19:17] *** Lance has left the room
[09:36:08] *** Alex has left the room
[09:36:33] *** Kev shows as "away"
[09:39:33] *** Kev shows as "online"
[09:40:23] *** Alex has joined the room
[09:49:54] *** Kev shows as "away"
[09:51:57] *** Kev shows as "online"
[10:15:09] *** Kev shows as "away"
[10:16:09] *** Kev shows as "online"
[10:16:15] *** Alex shows as "away" and his status message is "Auto-Status (untätig)"
[10:29:38] *** MattJ shows as "online"
[10:36:14] *** Alex shows as "xa" and his status message is "Auto-Status (untätig)"
[10:42:28] *** ralphm shows as "away" and his status message is "Away as a result of being idle"
[10:52:28] *** ralphm shows as "xa" and his status message is "Not available as a result of being idle"
[10:57:46] *** Kev shows as "away"
[11:01:43] *** Alex shows as "online"
[11:14:29] *** intosi@ik.nu shows as "away" and his status message is "Away"
[11:14:31] *** intosi@ik.nu shows as "away" and his status message is "Away"
[11:19:46] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[11:34:46] *** intosi@ik.nu shows as "away" and his status message is "Away"
[11:34:52] *** intosi@ik.nu shows as "online"
[12:13:26] *** ralphm shows as "away" and his status message is "Away as a result of being idle"
[12:14:32] *** jabberjocke has left the room
[12:23:26] *** ralphm shows as "xa" and his status message is "Not available as a result of being idle"
[12:24:13] *** stpeter has joined the room
[12:24:14] *** stpeter has left the room
[12:24:14] *** stpeter has joined the room
[12:26:10] *** Alex has left the room
[12:35:58] *** stpeter shows as "online"
[12:49:35] *** Kev shows as "online"
[12:53:52] *** stpeter has left the room
[13:29:50] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[13:32:51] *** ralphm has left the room
[13:52:59] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[14:47:57] *** ralphm shows as "away" and his status message is "Away as a result of being idle"
[14:55:27] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[14:58:26] *** ralphm has left the room
[14:58:28] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[14:58:28] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[14:58:32] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[15:12:02] *** ralphm shows as "away" and his status message is "Away as a result of being idle"
[15:20:10] *** Kev shows as "away"
[15:20:35] *** Kev shows as "online"
[15:22:02] *** ralphm shows as "xa" and his status message is "Not available as a result of being idle"
[15:30:18] *** MattJ shows as "dnd"
[15:36:37] *** Ashley has joined the room
[15:52:47] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[15:55:16] *** stpeter has joined the room
[15:57:47] *** ralphm shows as "away" and his status message is "Auto-away (idle)"
[15:58:01] *** stpeter has left the room
[15:58:06] *** stpeter has joined the room
[16:01:23] *** Ashley shows as "away" and his status message is "Away"
[16:05:21] *** Ashley shows as "online"
[16:38:54] *** Ashley shows as "away" and his status message is "Away"
[16:39:08] *** Lance has joined the room
[16:39:08] *** Lance shows as "online"
[16:41:13] *** Ashley shows as "online"
[16:59:13] *** intosi@ik.nu shows as "away" and his status message is "Away"
[16:59:13] *** intosi@ik.nu shows as "away" and his status message is "Away"
[17:03:08] *** stpeter shows as "away" and his status message is "wandered off..."
[17:23:08] *** stpeter shows as "xa" and his status message is "wandered off..."
[17:23:42] *** stpeter shows as "online"
[17:24:35] *** stpeter has left the room
[17:25:28] *** Ashley shows as "away" and his status message is "Away"
[17:25:46] *** Ashley shows as "online"
[17:49:41] *** Ashley shows as "away" and his status message is "Away"
[17:50:23] *** Ashley shows as "online"
[17:53:17] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[17:54:41] *** Ashley shows as "away" and his status message is "Away"
[18:00:43] *** Ashley has left the room
[19:08:34] *** stpeter has joined the room
[19:15:43] *** Ashley has joined the room
[19:20:13] *** Ashley shows as "away" and his status message is "Away"
[19:20:14] *** Ashley has left the room
[19:21:24] *** Neustradamus has joined the room
[19:28:04] *** Lance shows as "away"
[19:28:29] *** intosi@ik.nu shows as "away" and his status message is "Away"
[19:28:34] *** intosi@ik.nu shows as "online"
[19:33:42] *** Lance shows as "online"
[19:45:42] *** intosi@ik.nu shows as "away" and his status message is "Away"
[19:45:43] *** intosi@ik.nu shows as "away" and his status message is "Away"
[19:52:23] *** Ashley has joined the room
[19:54:58] <stpeter> "Unfortunately, there just cannot be a good mobile client unless it supports push notifications, which requires server support, which XMPP doesn't have. The existing clients need to keep a connection open and take too much battery, sadly..." (from the URL that ralphm posted)
[19:55:14] <ralphm> yeah, indeed
[19:55:46] <ralphm> I wasn't sure what he meant
[19:55:59] <ralphm> a) it isn't possible
[19:55:59] <ralphm> b) nobody has done it yet
[19:56:07] <stpeter> I think (b)
[19:56:12] <ralphm> (or c), there is such a client, but I don't know about it)
[19:57:15] <stpeter> lots of talk there (it seems) about multi-device syncing -- clearly we need to get carbons and MAM done and implemented and deployed
[19:57:41] <ralphm> yup
[19:57:53] <Kev> You need more than those. You need something like markers, too.
[19:58:01] <Kev> Be it markers, or just something similar.
[19:58:55] *stpeter nods
[20:01:25] <Lance> I can vouch that mam+carbons+chat states works very nicely together
[20:01:41] <ralphm> Lance: so where is that android app of yours?
[20:01:44] <Kev> You can't get by with just that though, surely?
[20:02:00] <Kev> You need some way of getting the unread message state between the clients.
[20:02:06] <Lance> ralphm: web client
[20:02:15] <Kev> If A is online, B comes online, B needs to know what messages haven't yet been dealt with.
[20:02:22] <ralphm> Lance: I guess you missed the start of the conversation?
[20:02:23] <Lance> Kev: yeah, that's the only part im missing
[20:02:38] <Lance> ralphm: probably
[20:02:47] <Kev> I do wonder how well the Qt-on-Android stuff works.
[20:02:52] <ralphm> Lance: scroll back up to the quote stpeter sent
[20:03:34] <Kev> If it works reasonably, getting Swift on Android wouldn't be too bad, and code reuse means you have a pretty good chance of making a decent client.
[20:03:41] <stpeter> I wonder if someone could actually make a bit of money with a pretty-looking IOS/Android app that does mam+carbons+markers+otr
[20:04:13] <stpeter> kickstarter campaign, anyone? ;)
[20:04:15] <Lance> stpeter: i would hope so
[20:06:00] <Kev> Can you kickstart and instead of raising funds, raise more hours in the day?
[20:06:07] <stpeter> heehee
[20:06:12] <stpeter> don't I wish!
[20:06:27] <Kev> If I can raise just another, say, four hours in the day, I'm sure I could get a decent iOS client done fairly quickly, and start thiking about Android.
[20:06:40] <Kev> Then people can pay me their millions. I don't need it up front.
[20:07:44] *** Ashley has left the room
[20:08:04] <Lance> did any servers ever implement sift?
[20:08:36] <ralphm> I think prosody did something there
[20:08:40] <stpeter> that reminds me, I need to update SIFT, too
[20:08:53] <ralphm> http://code.google.com/p/prosody-modules/wiki/mod_sift
[20:08:54] <stpeter> I need to quit my job so I have more time to work ;-)
[20:10:14] <ralphm> Lance: and m-link has google:queue support, I believe, working with telepathy
[20:10:37] <ralphm> (so in theory that should work on my n9)
[20:11:06] <Lance> cool. i'd like to see those pushed forward, since they directly answer the complaints about noisy traffic on mobile
[20:11:23] <stpeter> nod
[20:11:30] *stpeter adds it to his weekend list
[20:11:36] <ralphm> stpeter: not sure how that works for your cash flow, though
[20:11:39] *Lance adds reviewing sift plugin to the list of things to do before realtimeconf
[20:12:16] <ralphm> maybe we need a kickstarter for a full-time employed executive officer / editor
[20:14:30] *** Ashley has joined the room
[20:14:36] *** Ashley shows as "online"
[20:16:43] <stpeter> heh
[20:17:07] *** Kev shows as "away"
[20:17:37] <stpeter> well, I'd like to work on more code, I must admit -- gotta finish a bunch of the stuff at http://www.arkko.com/tools/allstats/petersaint-andre.html but after that (next few months) I'll be doing more Python for sure, maybe I can hack on Gajim and Sleek and Wokkel ;-)
[20:17:56] <ralphm> :-D
[20:18:23] <stpeter> ralphm: are there folks running Wokkel in production or building on top of it for interesting services?
[20:18:45] *** Kev shows as "online"
[20:19:05] *stpeter works on updates to the POSH spec
[20:19:19] <ralphm> I think a few, but they are not making much noise about it
[20:19:38] <Kev> You should really pick a real language :D
[20:19:39] <stpeter> y'know, I feel that Google's move to proprietary tech feels kind of energizing to me
[20:19:40] <ralphm> like Idavoll being NotificationServer in OS X Server (for calendar)
[20:20:05] <stpeter> that was a poorly written sentence :P
[20:20:29] <Kev> ralphm: That's pretty cool, though.
[20:24:43] *** ralphm shows as "away" and his status message is "Away as a result of being idle"
[20:28:33] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[20:29:09] <ralphm> Kev: not sure how long it will last, there though
[20:29:22] *stpeter nods
[20:29:26] <Lance> Kev: swift hasn't done jingle a/v yet, right? just file transfer and whiteboarding?
[20:29:32] <ralphm> Kev: but I intend to pick some stuff up again
[20:29:55] <Kev> Lance: Right. I desperately want to get to that.
[20:41:18] *** MattJ has left the room
[20:44:54] *** MattJ has joined the room
[20:49:29] *** Ashley shows as "away" and his status message is "Away"
[20:49:30] *** Ashley shows as "away" and his status message is "Away"
[20:50:59] *** Ashley shows as "away" and his status message is "Away"
[20:51:07] *stpeter loads up the carbons, mam, markers, and sift specs for reviewing
[20:51:57] *** Ashley has joined the room
[20:56:26] *** Kev shows as "away"
[21:10:17] *** MattJ shows as "away"
[21:10:25] *** MattJ shows as "online"
[21:17:59] *** stpeter shows as "away" and his status message is "wandered off..."
[21:19:51] *** stpeter shows as "online"
[21:33:45] *** Ashley has left the room
[21:40:35] *** stpeter shows as "away" and his status message is "wandered off..."
[21:41:19] *** stpeter shows as "online"
[21:55:05] *** intosi@ik.nu shows as "away" and his status message is "Away"
[22:05:05] *** intosi@ik.nu shows as "away" and his status message is "Away"
[22:22:20] *** stpeter has left the room
[22:35:12] *** stpeter has joined the room
[22:35:13] *** stpeter has left the room
[22:46:23] *** Ashley has joined the room
[22:58:45] *** Ashley has left the room
[23:03:15] *** Neustradamus has left the room
[23:03:27] *** Neustradamus has joined the room
[23:25:43] *** ralphm shows as "away" and his status message is "Away as a result of being idle"
[23:26:17] *** Neustradamus shows as "away"
[23:35:01] *** Neustradamus shows as "away"
[23:35:43] *** ralphm shows as "xa" and his status message is "Not available as a result of being idle"
[23:35:46] *** Neustradamus has left the room
[23:42:16] *** Neustradamus has left the room
[23:46:53] *** Neustradamus shows as "away"
[23:57:16] *** Neustradamus has left the room
[23:57:16] *** Neustradamus shows as "away"