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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

[00:01:40] <bear> I posted a note to the blog about the elections and meeting details
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[02:09:32] <stpeter> bear: thanks for the blog post!
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[18:58:01] <SM> Hi Dave
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[19:11:59] <stpeter> SM: send me a message (my IM client crashed)
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[19:12:20] <SM> Done
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[19:31:57] <SM> Dave, what's your opinion about http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/members/2013-October/007268.html ?
[19:38:16] <Dave Cridland> There's a lot there. My take-home from that is Peter Waher sees marketing, and motivating the membership to take on more of the grunt work.
[19:39:00] <SM> Well, it is a good way to get a community
[19:39:20] <Dave Cridland> I'm aware that stpeter has expressed an interest in delegating some of the work he currently takes on himself.
[19:39:59] <SM> Seriously, it would be good for the long term
[19:41:03] <SM> The membership seems rather quiet
[19:41:09] <fippo> mh... i wonder which of the two parts will be harder.
[19:41:13] <fippo> SM: exactly :-/
[19:41:33] <SM> fippo, you mean getting rid of the members or of Peter?
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[19:42:40] <fippo> stpeter is sacrosanct so that's not a question ;-)
[19:42:48] <Dave Cridland> fippo, Marketing or motivation, I assumed you meant.
[19:42:51] <SM> Wait, we agreed on veggie pizzas
[19:42:57] <SM> so nothing is sacrosaint
[19:43:29] <fippo> dave: right. sm: hm... point!
[19:43:49] <SM> Ok, let's be serious. As I mentioned, there are good people
[19:43:56] <SM> It is a matter of using their talents
[19:44:12] <SM> And now having one person doing all the work
[19:44:16] <Dave Cridland> fippo, I think both are very hard, but people at least joined the XSF with some expectation of helping out.
[19:44:37] <SM> Dave, it seems to me taht peopel actually want to help out
[19:45:03] <SM> It takes some talk and organization on how to make that expectation work out
[19:45:30] <Dave Cridland> fippo, Plus I think there's a considerable kudos involved with being an "Assistant XEP Editor" or some such, so overall, I suspect getting our membership being more involved and active would be easier.
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[19:46:05] <Dave Cridland> However, it would involve stopping a certain nameless person from being such a total workaholic, too.
[19:46:30] <SM> Dave, I think the certain person can be encouraged:)
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[19:50:47] <fippo> that persons gets cridlands bacon?
[19:51:09] <SM> No, his significant half would be overjoyed
[19:52:03] <SM> Cridland could be moved into marketing:)
[19:52:29] <Dave Cridland> I think there are candidates better suited to that than me.
[19:53:05] <SM> Dave, it is not about better suited
[19:53:49] <SM> It helps to spread the workload and someone must do it
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[19:54:33] <Dave Cridland> No, I mean, the marketing. I can follow orders on that, but I can't properly structure a campaign.
[19:54:59] <SM> Dave, it takes team work. It is not like a person can think about everything
[19:55:56] <Dave Cridland> Sure, but one person needs to have the skill to pick the overall strategy for a particular area.
[19:56:10] <SM> Dave, I would disagree about that
[19:56:23] <SM> It is for a group to come up with a strategy
[19:56:30] <SM> It is easier when everyone things about a part
[19:56:35] <SM> Else mistakes happen
[19:57:01] <Kev> There's a difference between "It makes sense to have someone with experience lead something" and "one person must do everything alone".
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[19:57:13] <SM> Yes, Kev
[19:57:42] <fippo> it's all about feedback in the end
[19:58:09] <SM> Speaking of feedback, fippo, waiting for you to post to members@:)
[19:58:34] <Dave Cridland> Right. I'm not suggesting one person should operate in a vacuum and decide everything without reference, but while I may be able to make comments about marketing, I'm not qualified to structure a marketing strategy from scratch.
[19:58:57] <SM> Dave, do you know XSF?
[19:59:12] <fippo> arr... i'll compose something on the flight to portland. but then, I have stickers, so do I really need to post? :-)
[19:59:23] <Dave Cridland> I'd not get many votes if I said "No", would I?
[19:59:31] <SM> fippo, seriously, it would help
[19:59:37] <SM> Yes:)
[19:59:43] <SM> Dave, you know the community
[19:59:47] <SM> You know what would be bad
[19:59:50] <SM> That's a start
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[20:00:18] <fippo> dave: if a marketing person explains a plan to you and you don't understand it, you would ask, right?
[20:00:54] <Dave Cridland> Right, I can run oversight. But I'm not foolish enough to think I can write the plan in the first place.
[20:01:13] <SM> Dave, can you spot a person who can write one?
[20:01:29] <Dave Cridland> I can make reasonable guesses.
[20:01:50] <SM> It's good enough
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