XSF Discussion - 2013-11-06


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  66. bear hello folks - power was out at the house, did I miss anything?
  67. bear ah, council is still meeting, then i'm actually early
  68. ralphm T-10min
  69. bear cool
  70. bear I don't see dave, laura or simon yet
  71. ralphm I invited dwd, but not seeing him yet
  72. bear we can wait a bit, the council meeting just ended
  73. bear (yes, i know that fact has nothing to do with the question of where are the others)
  74. ralphm :-D
  75. Lloyd Hi all, laura.gill@surevine.com sends her apologies, she's stuck in a meeting she can't get out of right now.
  76. Kev Did this go out to members, BTW? (In which case I missed it and I suck)
  77. ralphm Lloyd: good first impressions :-P
  78. ralphm Kev: from my cursory look, we didn't announce the board meeting on the members list
  79. bear kev - I *thought* I sent it out to members list, but it could be I also suck
  80. Lloyd I'm not sure she was aware, I hadn't seen any notice go out - although I'm not aware of how council alerts go out.
  81. Kev Lloyd: Or Board, which this is.
  82. bear I sent emails to each board member and also to board@
  83. Lloyd Yeah that too :S
  84. ralphm bear: yeah, board members should know about the meeting
  85. bear we only have 2 out of 5 with apologies for 1 so far
  86. Edwin Mons How would we know when to flee out of the room if the meeting isn't announced to members?
  87. ralphm set the topic to XSF discussion room | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/
  88. ralphm Edwin Mons: I assume because the Chairman will bang the gavel.
  89. Edwin Mons You need to elect one first ;)
  90. bear i'll give them 5 more minutes
  91. Kev Edwin Mons: I think in the members meeting there was some discussion, and no-one disagreed that old chairs remained chair until new chairs were elected.
  92. ralphm Edwin Mons: no, bear is still chair, even if he hadn't been elected
  93. Kev Which makes sense, as otherwise there's no-one to run the first meeting.
  94. bear until the new board meets and accepts the results IIRC
  95. Kev Assuming, that is, that there /is/ a first quorate meeting.
  96. bear that is the crux of our current situation
  97. Edwin Mons Kev: good point
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  99. Edwin Mons I assume you need 50% for quorum?
  100. ralphm FWIW, the XMPP calendar doesn't reflect the date for this meeting.
  101. Kev Edwin Mons: Whether it's 50% or majority is largely irrelevant with odd numbers, and I forget which it is.
  102. bear I don't have the bylaws memorized, but it's 3 out of 5
  103. bear which satisfies 50% 60% and simple majority
  104. ralphm by laws say 'majority'
  105. bear ralphm - i'm getting calendar alerts for today's meeting, so it's on one of the calendars
  106. bear it's all bike shedding to be blunt as they are not present
  107. ralphm bear: interesting
  108. bear so I will send an email to members@, board@ and them directly to suggest a meeting friday, or anytime next week
  109. bear I will be lurking here for another 15 or so minutes in case one of them shows up
  110. ralphm bear: I was just looking at the ics files for -board and -all, no mention.
  111. bear then i'm being haunted by the ghost of the last board I guess
  112. stpeter we definitely need better calendar management and notifications
  113. ralphm I could do friday, probably, but I'd rather not change the date and time
  114. stpeter there's always next Wednesday
  115. ralphm right
  116. stpeter (although I'll be on a plane then)
  117. ralphm in-flight wifi?
  118. ralphm :-D
  119. bear the first meeting is normally restricted to 1) accepting results and 2) electing chair
  120. bear so it will be a fast one
  121. bear goes to write that email
  122. ralphm bear: yeah, let's put out an e-mail with a proposed agenda. It might also be useful to have a chat on the Board's priorities for this term.
  123. Kev And can this happen on members@, please?
  124. Edwin Mons +1
  125. ralphm Kev: sure
  126. Kev Thank you
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  128. ralphm woah
  129. ralphm quorum
  130. Simon sorry everyone - wasn't aware that a date had been set.
  131. Simon :)
  132. bear email sent
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  134. ralphm bear sent out an e-mail on 2013-10-30 13:39 -0400 on this
  135. bear oh sure, I just press the "send" button and *now* we get a quorum :)
  136. Lloyd :)
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  138. ralphm don't leave!
  139. Kev I think the meeting was effectively abandoned long ago.
  140. ralphm Kev: who are you to judge that :-P
  141. Kev ralphm: I'm the only person who can judge it.
  142. ralphm haha
  143. bear simon - I just sent out an email with details for the next meeting
  144. Simon is the calendar feed still being updated / who maintains it? Could we add a board meeting event in there?
  145. Kev Yeah, I'm waiting for that one to come through - is my mail being slow, or did it not go to members? :)
  146. ralphm Simon: this was a thing we discussed earlier, yes
  147. Edwin Mons Kev: I just received it.
  148. Kev Marvellous.
  149. Simon great. What's the usual frequency of board meetings?
  150. bear if we have things to do, bi-weekly, but not very often
  151. Kev I'd suggest you adopt Council+20, personally.
  152. ralphm bi-weekly
  153. Simon you mean fortnightly ;)
  154. ralphm Kev: I'd like that, indeed
  155. Kev Because I think having regular meetings creates some sort of impetus to do stuff.
  156. bear tradition has it that they are just after the council meeting and that the time is limited to 30 minutes to help focus people
  157. Simon +1 for regular set time and repeats.
  158. bear so unless one of the new board folk has a real problem with our current schedule, it probably won't change
  159. ralphm I'd like to have it occur on the calendar every week.
  160. ralphm Because it makes it easier for people to make it a habit of showing up.
  161. bear once we decide next week, it will be
  162. Simon yes - same day and time every two weeks. Much easier!
  163. bear simon, ralph - please do respond to the email with your +1 or whatever about the current timing
  164. bear that will make the first meeting even faster
  165. bear switches to lurk mode
  166. bear ralph - your question about discussing the board's priorities is kinda easy
  167. bear the board can only respond,work,deal with items that the members want to do
  168. Kev Interesting. I've received Ralph's reply to Bear's mail, but not Bear's mail.
  169. ralphm Kev: maybe be spam because it was signed by a bear
  170. Kev I don't /think/ I've set up any special MTA rules to blackhole bear :)
  171. bear :)
  172. Kev bear: I think that's a bit of a cop-out answer, sorry. People don't have to /want/ to do stuff to get stuff done. What needs doing is the important question.
  173. ralphm bear: While I agree on that on a strict basis, any board can develop a policy that it subjects to its membership
  174. bear it's a small difference in what you both are saying and me - the difference being that this policy discussion should just be amongst members
  175. Kev Yeah, I think that's a cop-out.
  176. bear ok
  177. Kev I think Board need to work out what needs to be done, and plans to do it.
  178. ralphm bear: I agree, but again believe that a Board can spearhead any such discussion.
  179. Kev Yes, they should not act against members' wishes, but the point of the Board is to provide steering.
  180. ralphm suggest things and then discuss it with the membership
  181. Kev ^ this
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  183. bear then i'll be happy to be wrong :)
  184. bear but even "wrong" isn't the proper word
  185. bear i'll be happy to be busily dealing with an active board
  186. Kev Oh, I think it's the perfect word for anyone with a different opinion to mine :D
  187. ralphm Proactive is my word of choice here.
  188. ralphm And with that, I'm proactively going to have dinner.
  189. bear :)
  190. Kev Heh.
  191. stpeter BTW I am paying attention to the IETF technical plenary
  192. Edwin Mons ralphm: enjoy
  193. stpeter http://ietf88streaming.dnsalias.net/ietf/ietf889.m3u in case you want to listen (not sure if the video is working at http://www.ietf.org/live/ )
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  195. ralphm video works for me
  196. stpeter the topic is pervasive surveillance
  197. stpeter BTW the manifesto went over well when I talked about it on Monday, although of course this is the IETF so some people had objections
  198. bear video is not working for me but audio is
  199. Simon as long as we don't let the perfect become the enemy of the good
  200. Kev stpeter: I think knowing what the objections are would be interesting.
  201. stpeter "flag days are bad" was one of them
  202. stpeter "you'll fail" was another
  203. Simon I wonder who works in the Crazy-Code-Names department at the NSA?
  204. bear is happy now, video is working
  205. Simon Who is speaking?
  206. stpeter Bruce Schneier
  207. Simon Wow. Nice.
  208. bear hmm, text is very timely, audio is lagged by about a minute but wow, video is lagged by about 2 minutes
  209. fippo http://vancouver.conf.meetecho.com/WebLite/event.jsp?w=plenary might provide an alternative if youtube doesn't work
  210. Edwin Mons video is fine here.
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  225. stpeter ok, I said my piece
  226. ralphm stpeter: was good!
  227. bear cheers
  228. stpeter bbl
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