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bear
hello folks - power was out at the house, did I miss anything?
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bear
ah, council is still meeting, then i'm actually early
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ralphm
T-10min
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bear
cool
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bear
I don't see dave, laura or simon yet
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ralphm
I invited dwd, but not seeing him yet
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bear
we can wait a bit, the council meeting just ended
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bear
(yes, i know that fact has nothing to do with the question of where are the others)
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ralphm
:-D
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Lloyd
Hi all, laura.gill@surevine.com sends her apologies, she's stuck in a meeting she can't get out of right now.
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Kev
Did this go out to members, BTW? (In which case I missed it and I suck)
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ralphm
Lloyd: good first impressions :-P
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ralphm
Kev: from my cursory look, we didn't announce the board meeting on the members list
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bear
kev - I *thought* I sent it out to members list, but it could be I also suck
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Lloyd
I'm not sure she was aware, I hadn't seen any notice go out - although I'm not aware of how council alerts go out.
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Kev
Lloyd: Or Board, which this is.
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bear
I sent emails to each board member and also to board@
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Lloyd
Yeah that too :S
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ralphm
bear: yeah, board members should know about the meeting
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bear
we only have 2 out of 5 with apologies for 1 so far
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Edwin Mons
How would we know when to flee out of the room if the meeting isn't announced to members?
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ralphm
set the topic to
XSF discussion room | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/
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ralphm
Edwin Mons: I assume because the Chairman will bang the gavel.
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Edwin Mons
You need to elect one first ;)
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bear
i'll give them 5 more minutes
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Kev
Edwin Mons: I think in the members meeting there was some discussion, and no-one disagreed that old chairs remained chair until new chairs were elected.
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ralphm
Edwin Mons: no, bear is still chair, even if he hadn't been elected
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Kev
Which makes sense, as otherwise there's no-one to run the first meeting.
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bear
until the new board meets and accepts the results IIRC
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Kev
Assuming, that is, that there /is/ a first quorate meeting.
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bear
that is the crux of our current situation
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Edwin Mons
Kev: good point
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Edwin Mons
I assume you need 50% for quorum?
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ralphm
FWIW, the XMPP calendar doesn't reflect the date for this meeting.
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Kev
Edwin Mons: Whether it's 50% or majority is largely irrelevant with odd numbers, and I forget which it is.
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bear
I don't have the bylaws memorized, but it's 3 out of 5
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bear
which satisfies 50% 60% and simple majority
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ralphm
by laws say 'majority'
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bear
ralphm - i'm getting calendar alerts for today's meeting, so it's on one of the calendars
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bear
it's all bike shedding to be blunt as they are not present
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ralphm
bear: interesting
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bear
so I will send an email to members@, board@ and them directly to suggest a meeting friday, or anytime next week
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bear
I will be lurking here for another 15 or so minutes in case one of them shows up
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ralphm
bear: I was just looking at the ics files for -board and -all, no mention.
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bear
then i'm being haunted by the ghost of the last board I guess
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stpeter
we definitely need better calendar management and notifications
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ralphm
I could do friday, probably, but I'd rather not change the date and time
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stpeter
there's always next Wednesday
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ralphm
right
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stpeter
(although I'll be on a plane then)
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ralphm
in-flight wifi?
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ralphm
:-D
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bear
the first meeting is normally restricted to 1) accepting results and 2) electing chair
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bear
so it will be a fast one
- bear goes to write that email
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ralphm
bear: yeah, let's put out an e-mail with a proposed agenda. It might also be useful to have a chat on the Board's priorities for this term.
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Kev
And can this happen on members@, please?
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Edwin Mons
+1
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ralphm
Kev: sure
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Kev
Thank you
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ralphm
woah
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ralphm
quorum
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Simon
sorry everyone - wasn't aware that a date had been set.
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Simon
:)
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bear
email sent
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ralphm
bear sent out an e-mail on 2013-10-30 13:39 -0400 on this
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bear
oh sure, I just press the "send" button and *now* we get a quorum :)
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Lloyd
:)
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ralphm
don't leave!
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Kev
I think the meeting was effectively abandoned long ago.
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ralphm
Kev: who are you to judge that :-P
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Kev
ralphm: I'm the only person who can judge it.
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ralphm
haha
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bear
simon - I just sent out an email with details for the next meeting
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Simon
is the calendar feed still being updated / who maintains it? Could we add a board meeting event in there?
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Kev
Yeah, I'm waiting for that one to come through - is my mail being slow, or did it not go to members? :)
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ralphm
Simon: this was a thing we discussed earlier, yes
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Edwin Mons
Kev: I just received it.
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Kev
Marvellous.
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Simon
great. What's the usual frequency of board meetings?
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bear
if we have things to do, bi-weekly, but not very often
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Kev
I'd suggest you adopt Council+20, personally.
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ralphm
bi-weekly
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Simon
you mean fortnightly ;)
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ralphm
Kev: I'd like that, indeed
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Kev
Because I think having regular meetings creates some sort of impetus to do stuff.
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bear
tradition has it that they are just after the council meeting and that the time is limited to 30 minutes to help focus people
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Simon
+1 for regular set time and repeats.
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bear
so unless one of the new board folk has a real problem with our current schedule, it probably won't change
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ralphm
I'd like to have it occur on the calendar every week.
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ralphm
Because it makes it easier for people to make it a habit of showing up.
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bear
once we decide next week, it will be
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Simon
yes - same day and time every two weeks. Much easier!
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bear
simon, ralph - please do respond to the email with your +1 or whatever about the current timing
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bear
that will make the first meeting even faster
- bear switches to lurk mode
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bear
ralph - your question about discussing the board's priorities is kinda easy
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bear
the board can only respond,work,deal with items that the members want to do
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Kev
Interesting. I've received Ralph's reply to Bear's mail, but not Bear's mail.
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ralphm
Kev: maybe be spam because it was signed by a bear
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Kev
I don't /think/ I've set up any special MTA rules to blackhole bear :)
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bear
:)
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Kev
bear: I think that's a bit of a cop-out answer, sorry. People don't have to /want/ to do stuff to get stuff done. What needs doing is the important question.
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ralphm
bear: While I agree on that on a strict basis, any board can develop a policy that it subjects to its membership
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bear
it's a small difference in what you both are saying and me - the difference being that this policy discussion should just be amongst members
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Kev
Yeah, I think that's a cop-out.
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bear
ok
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Kev
I think Board need to work out what needs to be done, and plans to do it.
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ralphm
bear: I agree, but again believe that a Board can spearhead any such discussion.
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Kev
Yes, they should not act against members' wishes, but the point of the Board is to provide steering.
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ralphm
suggest things and then discuss it with the membership
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Kev
^ this
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bear
then i'll be happy to be wrong :)
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bear
but even "wrong" isn't the proper word
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bear
i'll be happy to be busily dealing with an active board
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Kev
Oh, I think it's the perfect word for anyone with a different opinion to mine :D
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ralphm
Proactive is my word of choice here.
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ralphm
And with that, I'm proactively going to have dinner.
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bear
:)
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Kev
Heh.
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stpeter
BTW I am paying attention to the IETF technical plenary
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Edwin Mons
ralphm: enjoy
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stpeter
http://ietf88streaming.dnsalias.net/ietf/ietf889.m3u in case you want to listen (not sure if the video is working at http://www.ietf.org/live/ )
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ralphm
video works for me
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stpeter
the topic is pervasive surveillance
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stpeter
BTW the manifesto went over well when I talked about it on Monday, although of course this is the IETF so some people had objections
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bear
video is not working for me but audio is
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Simon
as long as we don't let the perfect become the enemy of the good
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Kev
stpeter: I think knowing what the objections are would be interesting.
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stpeter
"flag days are bad" was one of them
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stpeter
"you'll fail" was another
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Simon
I wonder who works in the Crazy-Code-Names department at the NSA?
- bear is happy now, video is working
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Simon
Who is speaking?
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stpeter
Bruce Schneier
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Simon
Wow. Nice.
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bear
hmm, text is very timely, audio is lagged by about a minute but wow, video is lagged by about 2 minutes
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fippo
http://vancouver.conf.meetecho.com/WebLite/event.jsp?w=plenary might provide an alternative if youtube doesn't work
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Edwin Mons
video is fine here.
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stpeter
ok, I said my piece
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ralphm
stpeter: was good!
- bear cheers
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stpeter
bbl