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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[20:01:36] <fippo> tobias: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/IETF-Streit-um-sicheres-HTTP-2-0-neu-entbrannt-2041890.html -- we really need to explain monika to let us review her articles before publication
[20:02:07] <fippo> the jabber community is only holding up the "opportunistic tls" flag, not the "tls" flag
[20:05:34] *Tobias reads
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[20:08:22] <Tobias> For service deployments:

o require the use of TLS for both client-to-server and
server-to-server connections
[20:08:43] <Tobias> maybe she misinterpreted that as strong authenticated TLS connections via trusted certs
[20:10:25] <fippo> i suppose "use of TLS" isn't really well defined
[20:11:29] <Kev> Well, it is in 6120
[20:12:23] <Tobias> does it imply which CAs are in your TA?
[20:12:31] <Tobias> or define those
[20:12:44] <Tobias> that's out of scope i think
[20:14:25] <fippo> well, 6120 says that one must check certificates
[20:14:48] <fippo> and opportunistic violates that because it (partially) ignores the results of the certificate check
[20:15:46] <Tobias> does it define what check certificate means?
[20:17:49] <fippo> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6120#section-13.7.2.1 does that
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[20:34:59] <MattJ> Observation: the XSF blog announced the start of voting, but not the close and results, and nothing about the summit either...
[20:36:10] <fippo> "board, get busy"? :-)
[20:37:51] <MattJ> Just an observation, I said :)
[20:39:48] <fippo> we could ask peter for notes :-))))
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[20:40:16] <Tobias> yeah..let's put more load on his todo
[20:49:17] <fippo> mattj: +1, currently we lack a warning sign "don't shoot yourself in the foot"
[20:50:34] <bear> *sigh* I knew there was something I forgot to do
[20:50:58] *bear goes to draft the voting results post
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[20:53:15] <MattJ> Sorry bear :)
[20:53:19] <MattJ> You need more minions
[20:53:44] <bear> plenty of minions, just need focus
[20:53:57] <bear> so getting reminded that things need to be done is helpful (well, for me that is)
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[20:55:56] <MattJ> fippo, I'm considering a mod_nothing_to_hide that echoes all your messages to a public MUC, pubsub or MAM archive
[21:02:38] <fippo> bear: can you draft one of your andyet minions to adulate lance @ http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/xmpp-council/ :-)
[21:02:57] <bear> fippo - sure can
[21:03:19] <fippo> whoever baptized me "Hornsby Cornflower" can surely do that
[21:03:27] <bear> :)
[21:04:12] <MattJ> :P
[21:05:33] <fippo> mattj: after you've reviewed mod_turncredentials that sounds like a good idea :-)
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[21:06:03] <MattJ> fippo, ah yes :)
[21:09:47] <fippo> on the matter of board activity, we actually have (german) press writing about the manifesto before the xsf has a press relase
[21:09:53] <fippo> otoh, it's not an xsf activity
[21:10:33] <fippo> technically.
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[21:25:28] <Lance> i'd love for the XSF to have and publish opinions on things affecting the XMPP network / community though. It's rather expected of us by other communities
[21:26:45] *Lance tries to draft a short bio while waiting to board for vancouver
[21:27:24] <fippo> ah, you're not there the whole week?
[21:27:32] <Lance> no, just friday
[21:27:52] <bear> I have created a quick manifesto post
[21:27:58] <bear> fippo ^^
[21:28:49] <fippo> bear: ^5
[21:38:19] <fippo> https://www.loomio.org/discussions/3678?page=5 <-- if anyone wants to tell the diaspora people about xmpp (and webrtc)...
[21:45:20] <MattJ> You already did a good job :)
[21:48:02] <bear> yea, was reading to get context and see that fippo is already involved - nice work sir!
[21:49:34] <fippo> at some point i'll have to find a way to abandon strophe and use stanza.io
[21:53:51] <Lance> heh. you'll never be rid of strophe.jingle though :p
[21:54:43] <fippo> http://vancouver.conf.meetecho.com/WebLite/event.jsp?w=rtcweb btw
[21:55:01] <fippo> vp8 vs h.264
[21:55:04] <Lance> i just need to review what's needed for pranswer in jingle.js first..
[21:55:16] <Lance> who's winning?
[21:55:29] <fippo> lance: i'll see about refactoring my stuff and adding it to jingle.js
[21:55:40] <fippo> i need to update it for dtls support anyway
[21:55:53] <bear> they are working thru the h.264 fud and also wondering why google doesn't do what cisco just did
[21:56:02] <fippo> not sure, they haven't unpacked the vuvuzelas, kazoos and trumpets yet
[21:56:16] <Lance> gah! i should have brought kazoos
[21:57:20] <fippo> my position on that is clearly "i don't care about the video codec..."
[21:57:45] <fippo> i'm just wondering how to get adobe to implement VP8 so i can sell an old rtmfp server for lots of money (-:
[21:57:54] <Lance> haha
[21:59:39] <bear> "lets stop picking nits and arguing about points on the slide"... <-- must be new to IETF
[22:00:16] <fippo> "google's codec and the standard codec"
[22:02:43] <fippo> ted is great
[22:03:16] <bear> "I offered him a hug" :)
[22:04:13] <Lance> fippo: what was left to implement in jitsi's video bridge?
[22:04:52] <fippo> lance: i just started to work on it this week. on the bridge side it's not yet capable of ice yet (supposed to land this week)
[22:05:22] <fippo> on the client side i don't understand how it's supposed to be used. but emil will explain that to me tomorrow hopefully
[22:05:33] <fippo> after that it's hunting down issues
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