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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[12:02:31] <Kev> Does anyone have a link to the minutes for last week's meeting? I can't find them.
[12:03:14] <Kev> Or were they only sent to the board@ list?
[12:04:12] <fippo> cant find them either...
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[13:01:37] <dwd> https://fund.arkos.io/ -- Instant server, just add Raspberry Pi. Note that it includes a turnkey XMPP server.
[13:03:34] <SouL> yep
[13:05:53] <dwd> Is anyone involved with them already?
[13:06:14] <dwd> And does anyone know which XMPP server they (are intending to) use?
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[13:12:14] <Zash> Freedombox?
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[13:17:19] <SouL> I follow someguy at Diaspora* that knows something about arkos, I'll ask that.
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[14:05:04] <ralphm> From an initial search, my guess is that it would be Prosody.
[14:06:33] <Zash> \o/
[14:09:26] <ralphm> I think that contributing to this ticket will make that more likely: https://github.com/cznweb/genesis/issues/32
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[16:23:35] <Kev> Is it Monday or Tuesday in London?
[16:23:47] <Kev> Monday, nvm.
[16:24:05] <MattJ> It's the same day as the rest of the UK, Tuesday
[16:24:20] <MattJ> But while typing, I realised what you meant
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[16:34:59] <Kev> Looks like I might be able to make it after all.
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[16:46:09] <Lloyd> We've moved the event BTW. Now going to be at Shoreditch works, we're tacking on to the end of an IoT conference so will be a good opportunity for XMPP to get more exposure in that space.
[16:47:06] <Kev> Ah.
[16:47:14] <Kev> Got an address?
[16:47:36] <Lloyd> http://shoreditchworks.com <http://shoreditchworks.com/>;
[16:48:14] <Lloyd> Its the "Village hall"
[16:48:45] <Kev> Ta.
[16:48:45] <Lloyd> We're on the end of http://redmonk.com/thingmonk/ which is a practical IoT hacking conf.
[16:49:09] <Kev> Time?
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[16:51:38] <Lloyd> Any time after the end of the conf as there'll be people around 6pm+
[16:57:36] <Kev> Assuming I'm not going to be able to turn up until 7ish at best, is there any point doing so, or will you all have gone home by then? :)
[17:01:32] <Kev> Over an hour and a half from the office - yikes.
[17:08:08] <Kev> I guess that means I'm not likely to be able to make it much before 19:30.
[17:08:50] <Lloyd> That's fine, we won't really get started until 7pm, and the first bit is probably me or Steffen doing an XMPP intro
[17:09:07] <Lloyd> I think you could potentially get away with skipping the intro bit
[17:14:44] <intosi> Make sure you pronounce it right.
[17:14:50] <intosi> Remember: zimpy
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[17:25:17] <Kev> I'm quite happy with pronouncing it zimpy :)
[17:27:41] <intosi> I thought you would be.
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[21:11:10] <fippo> https://twitter.com/HCornflower/status/405440973565468672 -- guess what, xmpp pushing webrtc forward once again :-)
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[21:20:40] <Lance> \o/
[21:21:41] <Lloyd> Go fippo!
[21:22:04] <MattJ> Go XMPP!
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[21:22:59] <fippo> go Jingle!
[21:23:28] <fippo> i don't think that will be ready for todays council or board meeting though ;-)
[21:24:25] <fippo> er... tomorrow
[21:24:28] <MattJ> When will it be ready? And does it work with Prosody? :)
[21:24:47] <fippo> well, https://lambada.jitsi.net is currently powered by prosody
[21:24:58] <fippo> it's using MUC... but that's an implementation detail
[21:25:17] <fippo> i really need to work with emil on making CoLiBri ready for submission
[21:25:29] <fippo> it trumps muji
[21:25:37] <MattJ> and COIN?
[21:25:40] <fippo> and probably the hangouts stuff google never published as well
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[21:25:52] <fippo> well... i still dread COIN
[21:25:56] <MattJ> :)
[21:25:56] <fippo> but it's not used
[21:26:28] <fippo> three of the four clients in that videochat are mostly standard strophe.jingle ones
[21:26:44] <fippo> there is a proprietary extension, a custom jingle action
[21:26:59] <fippo> where i am not sure how to best solve that in a jingleish way
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[21:36:12] <SouL> Awesom!
[21:36:13] <SouL> e*
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[21:40:28] <dwd> So I'm assuming you're set to demo this and have a proper spec by FOSDEM, right?
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[21:40:52] <dwd> No pressure, or anything.
[21:41:56] <fippo> sure. colibri is a dumb one job protocol
[21:41:59] <fippo> easy to document
[21:42:12] <fippo> "hey bridge, get me a channel"
[21:42:16] <dwd> And the rest?
[21:42:21] <fippo> stock jingle
[21:42:29] <fippo> and working around chrome bugs
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[21:42:51] <fippo> I had it working with lance's unmodified stanzaio client until recently
[21:42:52] <dwd> What's the "proprietary extension"?
[21:43:54] <fippo> an addsource jingle extension
[21:44:23] <fippo> which has ssma children (which will be standard as soon as the xmpp editor returns from the well-deserved vacation and the council votes)
[21:44:33] <fippo> but that's it
[21:44:47] <dwd> Oh, wait. So out of four clients, A B C and D, A says to the bridge "hey, dude, channel!" and then basically spoofs the bridge's transport params to B, C, and D?
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[21:47:01] <fippo> A is called "focus"
[21:47:04] <fippo> but yeah, that's it
[21:47:28] <dwd> OK, nice. So B/C/D don't need any special sauce? They can just be naïve Jingle clients?
[21:47:32] <fippo> A also relays some more information from B to C and D, C to B and D and D to B and C
[21:47:41] <fippo> mostly.
[21:47:53] <fippo> they need a little bit of extra information in chrome right now
[21:48:08] <fippo> and the ability to demux multiple video streams on the same rtp session
[21:50:06] <dwd> Oh, you're muxing. Gotcha.
[21:50:20] <fippo> because chrome muxes now
[21:50:33] <fippo> at some point chrome is going to do different m-lines for that
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[21:50:41] <fippo> at least that is what's called unified plan
[21:50:47] <fippo> I prefer the current plan (B)
[21:51:03] <fippo> but there is no roadmap for unified even
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[22:03:44] <fippo> i'd note that with unified, we'd solve the proprietary stuff in a standard compliant way
[22:03:54] <fippo> because that makes it a content-add
[22:04:15] <fippo> but for now i'll go proprietary :-)
[22:04:21] <fippo> fast, evil corporate way
[22:06:07] <Zash> fippo: You have a muxer?
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[22:08:46] <fippo> zash: https://jitsi.org/Projects/JitsiVideobridge
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[23:19:50] <Zash> fippo: That wasn't a muxer last time I checked, just a focus point that relayed everything to everyone
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