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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[08:49:26] <dwd> MattJ, I'm being stalked.
[08:56:32] <intosi> Is this a complaint, or a thank you / look, /I/ have a stalker?
[08:56:45] <dwd> intosi, The latter framed as the former.
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[08:58:15] <intosi> That Future of XMPP Re: The Google Issue thread is really going wild.
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[12:01:39] <fippo> it seems I wrote the "open source disaster jingle javascript library" according to google translate
[12:02:26] <fippo> i think it got "strophe" in "open source strophe jingle javascript library" wrong when translating from german (kata-strophe => disaster)
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[12:11:49] <dwd> Well, anything involving SDP...
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[13:33:58] <stpeter> DFTT
[13:35:02] <Zash> Dat Fine Talk Transport?
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[13:38:59] <Zash> Oh
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[13:50:17] <fippo> http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/4/5173726/you-have-too-many-chat-apps-can-layer-connect-them -- stpeter, Jer joined them?
[13:50:27] <fippo> cool
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[16:42:12] <stpeter> fippo: yes
[16:42:16] <stpeter> temas, too :-)
[16:42:33] <fippo> old jabberites (-:
[16:42:39] <stpeter> yep
[16:43:18] <fippo> "One big problem was that Jabber wasn.t designed to keep up with devices popping in and out of connectivity"
[16:43:48] <MattJ> 198
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[16:43:50] <dwd> Well, not originally.
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[16:45:15] <fippo> without checking i think the article was written by the same person that wrote...
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[16:49:52] <Zash> ...
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[16:55:21] <fippo> stpeter: I am looking forward to Jers explanation of how Jabber failed :-p
[16:55:53] <fippo> maybe you can remind him to consider masinters "If you're going to do a standard for Instant Messaging (even 1-1 messaging), ignoring the requirements imposed by the possibility of group communication would likely lead you to a protocol that doesn't satisfy anyone's actual requirements.
[16:55:59] <fippo> this time ;-)
[16:57:52] <stpeter> well, it would not surprise me that somehow what Jer said was lost in translation ... journalists ...
[16:58:55] <fippo> as usual (-:
[17:02:15] <stpeter> it's always a great day when you receive communications from both the IRS and the FBI ;-)
[17:02:56] <fippo> horay
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[19:59:54] <Alex> hey guys
[20:00:30] <MattJ> Hey Alex
[20:00:42] *bear waves
[20:00:57] <Kev> Hi Alex.
[20:01:11] <Alex> I'll start our meeting in 2 minuutes
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[20:01:32] <fippo> oh, we have a meeting?
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[20:01:45] <Alex> ya, I think its not in teh calendar
[20:02:01] *Alex bangs the gavel
[20:02:30] <Alex> here is our agenda for today:
http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/meeting-minutes/xsf-member-meeting-2013-12-05
[20:02:46] <Alex> 1) Call for Quorum
[20:03:05] <Alex> as you can see 31 members voted via proxy, so we have a quorum already
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[20:03:20] <Alex> 2) Items Subject to a Vote
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[20:03:44] <Alex> new and returning members, you can see all applicants here:
http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_Q3_2013
[20:03:58] <Alex> 3) Opportunity for XSF Members to Vote in the Meeting
[20:04:12] <Alex> anybody here who has not voted yet?
[20:04:19] <waqas> I'm not sure if I haven't or have
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[20:04:54] <Alex> waqas: don't see you jid on the agenda
[20:05:19] <Alex> memberbot is still online, so you can vote now
[20:05:26] <waqas> Done
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[20:05:44] <Alex> have your votes, anybody else?
[20:06:04] <Zash> .
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[20:06:49] <Alex> ok, then I shutdown the bot and start counting
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[20:11:00] *waqas waits patiently to learn whether we managed to vote Florian in again
[20:11:31] <MattJ> Who is Florian? :)
[20:11:39] <dwd> waqas, We could also have fun, and vote on all sorts of AOB items.
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[20:11:47] <waqas> I vote Yes
[20:11:56] <MattJ> What's the best kind of pizza?
[20:12:02] <Kev> A vote for Waqas is a vote for fun?
[20:12:04] <Kev> MattJ: Meat, obviously.
[20:12:15] <Zash> Kev: Seconded
[20:12:28] <MattJ> Do I get veto rights?
[20:12:31] <Zash> No
[20:12:31] <dwd> I also vote for meat.
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[20:12:45] <MattJ> dwd, bacon pizza?
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[20:12:48] <Alex> 4) Announcement of Voting Results
[20:12:52] <dwd> But that said, we must formally propose the motion, first.
[20:13:06] <Alex> if you reload the page at:
http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/meeting-minutes/xsf-member-meeting-2013-12-05/

you can see the results
[20:13:18] <MattJ> Nobody reads membership applications, it's official :)
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[20:13:38] <Alex> all new and returning members are accepted
[20:13:43] <Alex> congrats to everybody
[20:13:50] <dwd> MattJ, Indeed.
[20:13:54] <Alex> 5) Any Other Business?
[20:14:13] <dwd> Alex, Matt wanted us to vote on the best kind of pizza.
[20:14:25] <Alex> ok, then do so ;-)
[20:14:38] <Alex> is there a way to get a better calendar?
[20:14:48] <dwd> Alex, Hey, we've a quorate meeting, we can vote on pretty much anything.
[20:14:49] <Alex> so that more people can edit it?
[20:15:02] <MattJ> That would be good
[20:15:07] <MattJ> XMPP-based, of course
[20:15:07] <dwd> Alex, Editing isn't the problem, actually, it's in git. The problem is generating the new one.
[20:15:21] <dwd> I proose we ask the calendaring expert who just joined us as a member.
[20:15:23] <Kev> dwd: Well, kinda. Editing is still less convenient than google cal, or whatever.
[20:15:32] <Alex> ya, I mean something usable for a windows dummy like me ;-)
[20:16:05] <Alex> not git checkout edit compile, checking crypt whatever
[20:16:27] <dwd> Alex, I'll raise this at Board if you like.
[20:16:34] <Alex> ok
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[20:16:46] <Alex> we can wrote a prosody bot ;-)
[20:16:51] <bear> +1 to solving the group calendar question
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[20:17:00] <bear> I like the bot idea
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[20:17:09] <Kev> I'll be unfashionable and say I'd actually be fine with just a google calendar.
[20:17:48] <Alex> I am absolutly fine with that as well
[20:18:00] <dwd> Kev, Yeah, and we used to have that, but the whole silo thing, you know.
[20:18:23] <bear> google calendar with multiple editors only works with GApps
[20:18:32] <bear> (only works well and cleanly)
[20:18:48] <Kev> bear: Are you sure? I'm using a non-gapps calendar that I don't own but can edit.
[20:19:00] <Kev> Multiple, in fact.
[20:19:03] <Alex> I use shared calandar with my family and hobby club without problems, multiple editors
[20:19:19] <bear> then my info is old and crusty - kinda like me today
[20:19:24] *bear goes back to his cave
[20:19:32] <Alex> also free gmail accounts here
[20:19:38] <Kev> If that's the case...perhaps a shower? :D
[20:19:53] <dwd> Kev, We can vote on that if you like.
[20:19:53] <bear> hehe - yea, that may actually be a great idea
[20:20:37] <Alex> board will figure this out, anything else?
[20:20:54] <dwd> Alex, I'd like to propose the motion that more people show up to these meetings.
[20:21:20] <dwd> Anyone care to second? It'll give Alex something to add to his minutes.
[20:21:27] <bear> second!
[20:21:36] <Alex> seconds
[20:21:43] <Alex> how can we achieve this?
[20:21:50] <Alex> send out more emails?
[20:21:57] <Alex> have a better cal?
[20:22:12] <Alex> send an invite over memberbot?
[20:22:19] <dwd> Alex, I'm not sure, actually. But better calendar, a bot that tells people - anything might help.
[20:22:42] <dwd> Also formally voting on it and including it in the minutes might kick a few people into coming along, and voting too.
[20:22:50] <bear> getting a bot written for day-to-day stuff sounds like a good solution
[20:22:57] <ralphm> :-D
[20:23:08] <MattJ> I'd say I'd do it, but I know I wouldn't
[20:23:14] <MattJ> As much as I'd love to
[20:23:18] <MattJ> So...
[20:23:20] <MattJ> Lance!
[20:23:24] <bear> lance!
[20:23:57] <dwd> We could vote him to do it while he's not looking. Nobody can resist an XSF member's vote. ;-)
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[20:24:20] <ralphm> By the way, +1 for Pepperoni.
[20:24:21] <Alex> ok, +1 from me
[20:24:32] <ralphm> Alex: great!
[20:24:48] <Alex> for both, Lance and the Pizza
[20:24:56] <bear> :)
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[20:25:53] <Alex> ok, thats it?
[20:25:58] <dwd> Yeah, OK, so "more people should show up", "Lance will do stuff with the bot", and "as much meat as possible".
[20:26:13] *bear nods as officially as he can
[20:26:17] <dwd> Alex, Unless we can think of anything else silly to vote on.
[20:26:43] <Alex> lets adjourn before you guys get crazy here ;-)
[20:26:47] <Alex> 6) Formal Adjournment
[20:26:59] <Alex> I motion that we adjourn
[20:27:03] <ralphm> +1
[20:27:05] *Alex bangs the gavel
[20:27:09] <Alex> thanks guys
[20:27:12] <bear> thanks Alex!
[20:27:28] <Kev> Thanks Alex.
[20:27:35] <Kev> And thanks for those who turned up.
[20:27:39] <Kev> s/for/to/
[20:27:45] <Alex> add our new girls to the list and remove the members who have not reapplied
[20:30:02] <fippo> dwd: hrmpf, I was having a colibri session with emil and everyone could have joined (-:
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[21:18:25] <MattJ> I wouldn't do that if I were you
[21:18:26] <Lance> if someone gives me requirements for bot stuff, i'll be happy to do it
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[22:14:30] <dwd> Lance, It seemed to be "voting and meeting reminders".
[22:18:35] <dwd> Alex failed to minute the pizza discussion. :-(
[22:18:55] <Kev> Shocking.
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[22:32:34] <intosi> +1 on the pepperoni, even though voting on that doesn't make any sense (meeting adjourned and such)
[22:34:57] <MattJ> Yeah, it made perfect sense two hours ago :)
[22:35:05] <Kev> It makes about as much sense as...
[22:35:08] <Kev> Right, Matt beat me to it.
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[22:41:49] <intosi> So, XSF dinner will be pizza instead of the place in Sint-Jezuseik?
[22:42:11] <Lance> xmppizza
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