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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[06:31:29] <fippo> http://bloggeek.me/xmpp-federation-url-emails/#comment-4739 -- finally someone who understands
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[07:07:06] <fippo> lance: I am wondering how to comment on http://bloggeek.me/andyet-webrtc-interview/
[07:07:17] <fippo> other than "^5"
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[09:32:21] <Dave Cridland> ralphm, You've not heard from FOSDEM early, by any chance, have you?
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[09:44:01] <fippo> http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/xmpp-council/thirteenth-council/ <-- linked from http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/xmpp-council/ but doesn't seem to lead anywhere. can a wp-admin look into that please?
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[09:46:39] <Dave Cridland> We should probably do a post about new Strophe.js, too, given its importance in the XMPP world.
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[09:48:32] <fippo> right.
[09:54:55] *fippo looks into convincing the xwiki people to drop their strange non-jingle stuff in favor of one of the jingle implementations
[09:55:32] <fippo> is there any likely correlation between "We embedded an XMPP Server in XWiki (vysper)"
[09:55:48] <fippo> and "Difficulties with ordering of signaling messages"
[09:56:07] <Dave Cridland> Gosh. I didn't know anyone had deployed vysper.
[09:56:18] <fippo> that is what I thought, too
[10:00:55] <fippo> I have actually seen a student from the TU dresden do an evaluation of vysper for his master thesis
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[10:14:21] <fippo> emcho: are your slides available for public download, too?
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[10:21:42] <fippo> i.e. somewhere you can reference them in a g+ post :-)
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[12:20:03] <ralphm> dwd: sadly, no
[12:21:11] <dwd> ralphm, We'll find out by Monday, won't we?
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[12:22:03] <ralphm> I sure hope so, yes
[12:22:21] <ralphm> Usually, they are right on schedule.
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[13:12:55] <dwd> fippo, FWIW, I don't think you can abstain, as such, since on Council you can generally only veto. So an abstain is the same as not exercising your veto.
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[13:13:34] <dwd> fippo, You could abstain from an actual vote, though I can't think of one the Council does aside from voting in its Chair.
[13:13:51] <emcho> да живее пощата :)
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[13:15:07] <Simon> I agree completely.
[13:15:41] <emcho> argh!
[13:15:44] <emcho> sorry!
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[13:15:58] <dwd> Bulgarian: "Live mail">
[13:16:31] <emcho> "Viva the postal service"
[13:16:31] <fippo> dwd: great, then i am +1 on the stuff i wrote :-)
[13:17:00] <emcho> just expressing my frustration in the wrong window :)
[13:17:16] <dwd> I suspect it's meant to be Russian, though in that case Google can't translate it properly. "Yes, livlier poschata", it suggests.
[13:17:52] <dwd> fippo, No, you're not, you're merely not invoking your veto. You can't be "+1", as such, you can merely be "!-1".
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[13:21:05] <ralphm> dwd: but in Bulgarian, Google Translate says 'live mail'.
[13:21:25] <dwd> ralphm, Maybe emcho is going to work for Microsoft?
[13:22:29] <emcho> dwd, ralphm: it's Bulgarian, it means "Long live the postal service" and it was a wrongly directed expression of frustration at the French postal services :)
[13:22:44] <emcho> sorry about that :)
[13:22:55] <dwd> emcho, Complaining to the French postal service in Bulgarian isn't going to be very effective.
[13:23:03] <ralphm> emcho: no, please complain about inefficient delivery mechanisms
[13:23:32] <dwd> Hey, postal services are in my good books - my wife's Christmas present arrived from Texas today.
[13:25:21] <emcho> dwd: for which christmas was that? :)
[13:25:32] <fippo> dwd: I'll just stay with "I'd like to see this published" :-)
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[13:25:54] <ralphm> fippo: the traditional way to say that is 'no objections'
[13:26:02] <dwd> This one coming. I'd say what it is, but she has a habit of sneaking in here when I'm making a cuppa, and ends up reading whatever I've left on screen.
[13:26:05] <fippo> emcho: the postal service should use an IMS architecture
[13:26:31] <emcho> oh yeah! i hadn't thought of that way to further screw it up :)
[13:26:41] *ralphm waves to dwd's wife
[13:27:11] <dwd> ralphm, She's not here yet; still in work. For another half hour or so.
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[13:37:19] <ralphm> dwd: sure, but she will read it later
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[13:54:49] <Kev> dwd: No, Council votes on publishing new versions of Draft+ XEPs.
[13:55:27] <Kev> And advancement.
[13:55:31] <dwd> Oh, yes, indeed.
[13:55:46] <Kev> (And must have a majority)
[13:55:54] <dwd> Although it's still -1 to veto.
[13:56:01] <Kev> Yes.
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[13:56:12] <dwd> I slouch corrected.
[13:56:19] <Kev> But abstinence has relevance.
[13:56:31] <dwd> Yes, it makes the heart grow fonder.
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[14:21:39] <ralphm> dwd: I imagine the consultation will go as follows. Board: "Peter, please accept this procedural XEP." Peter: "well, ok!"
[14:22:56] <dwd> ralphm, Did you like my request to put it in the Inbox?
[14:24:40] <ralphm> Well, looks fine.
[14:24:58] <ralphm> I'm wondering if "IETF" is an affiliation and if we are past the 15% point for it.
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[14:26:58] <dwd> Heh. I think it's OK as long as nobody is representing it.
[14:27:17] <dwd> I was wondering if we could (and perhaps even should) count open source projects.
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[15:54:45] <fippo> ralphm: the ietf has no members ;-)
[15:55:19] <ralphm> fippo: nothing in our by laws talk about the need of actual membership
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[16:51:24] <dwd> We should direct anyone who still thinks XMPP is verbose and chatty to take a look at the STOX drafts - XMPP->SIP reads like an amplification attack.
[16:52:12] <MattJ> :)
[16:53:09] <waqas> XMPP isn't verbose? Hmm, but does it use JSON? Or binary?
[16:53:42] <fippo> hhhhh
[16:53:51] <fippo> mhhhhhh
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