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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[11:28:51] <fippo> mattj: https://github.com/ESTOS/meet :-)
[11:29:20] <fippo> I wonder how i ended up using prosody for everything
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[14:21:25] <Zash> fippo: It must be contagious or something
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[14:49:02] <dwd> Excellent. The STOX virtual interim is being held over Webex and a phone bridge.
[14:49:15] <MattJ> Of course!
[14:49:24] <dwd> emcho, fippo - I'll bet you're so happy about that one. :-)
[14:49:47] <Kev> The future are here.
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[14:53:40] <emcho> haha :)
[14:53:55] <emcho> dwd: we'll let it slide this time because we don't have slide sharing yet
[14:54:13] <emcho> fippo is working on that though so it probably wouldn't be long
[14:54:32] <fippo> oh i heard my slidesharing is useless because it cant do animations! :-)
[14:54:36] <MattJ> Heh
[14:54:43] <MattJ> All those IETF slides with animations
[14:54:52] <emcho> lool :)
[14:55:02] <emcho> fippo: you didn't hear that from me
[14:55:13] <fippo> no ;-)
[14:55:17] <emcho> fippo: (nor from anyone at the IETF for all I know)
[14:55:40] <Kev> Stream it over video. Then you get animations aplenty.
[14:55:52] <fippo> kev: browsers don't do screensharing
[14:56:01] <fippo> or are removing the support they currently have for that
[14:56:02] <MattJ> Chrome does
[14:56:12] <MattJ> They're removing support?
[14:56:23] <emcho> yeah
[14:56:26] <emcho> too insecure
[14:56:36] <MattJ> in what way?
[14:56:36] <emcho> they'll only allow it for apps you get from the chrome store
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[14:56:51] <MattJ> Interesting
[14:57:12] <emcho> in the way that it will be very risky to allow any web page with a cert to both load pages and see them ...
[14:57:31] <MattJ> Ha
[14:58:43] <emcho> but jitsi will soon be able to participate in these call and in there you can share all you want ;)
[14:58:50] <emcho> s/call/calls
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[14:59:43] <Zash> Hey emcho
[14:59:49] <emcho> hey Zash
[15:00:37] <Zash> You happen to know anything about Jitsi (on Win7) failing TLS if an EDH cipher is selected?
[15:01:30] <emcho> Zash: most likely a problem with the way the JVM handles this. probably fixeable
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[15:02:08] <Zash> Didn't see anything that looked related in the log files I found
[15:03:11] <emcho> yup. it's most likely the jvm
[15:05:34] <MattJ> Zash, emcho: https://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/ssl/ssl_faq.html#javadh
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[15:06:28] <emcho> right
[15:06:38] <Zash> Sigh
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[15:06:55] <emcho> as i said though, it's most likely fixeable
[15:07:13] <emcho> switching to bouncycastle is a first thing that comes to mind
[15:08:18] <dwd> Bouncycastle is nice, but there's no FIPS yet, is there?
[15:08:28] <Kev> No, but they want to.
[15:08:35] <Kev> And/or intend to. I forget which.
[15:08:49] <dwd> The tricky bit with FIPS is getting someone to pay for it though.
[15:09:29] <Kev> Yes. BC have had a donation drive recently.
[15:11:08] <Kev> Looks like they've already raised $3k out of the $400k they want...
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[15:12:31] <MattJ> It's the kind of thing you can't make a shiny video for and put it on a crowdfunding site
[15:12:45] <MattJ> Though it would be fun to see the attempt :)
[15:13:58] <Zash> Just mention the NSA a bit and you'll probably do fine
[15:14:09] <Simon> instead we have invent-your-own-chat-system / invent-your-own-crypto applications like Telegram.
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[15:17:43] <dwd> Nothing wrong with double-ROT-13, is there?
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[15:23:28] <emcho> dwd: you kidding? would never use anything below quad-ROT-22 !!!
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[15:38:09] <Alex> :D
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[17:08:14] <bear> did we get any news from FOSDEM sunday?
[17:08:38] *fippo pokes ralphm
[17:08:56] *dwd looks at the FOSDEM site, and is surprised to see it looks pretty.
[17:09:10] <dwd> I had to double-check I'd hit the right site.
[17:09:55] <bear> LOL
[17:11:00] <Zash> London scares me
[17:11:02] <fippo> bear: yusuke didn't book a flight under the assumption that there is a summit so nothing bad happened :-)
[17:13:06] <bear> heck, I don't know why we couldn't have two events
[17:13:27] <dwd> bear, We possibly could if we ensure they're distinct enough.
[17:13:36] *bear nods
[17:14:29] <dwd> bear, I was wondering about doing pure interop at one. Maybe a specific targetted "build a solution" discussion - I vaguely thought in terms of building an actual tool for remote participation.
[17:14:31] <bear> if our fosdem news is good, and we can find a venue, I would suggest the "summit" be at fosdem and the london event be an interop for xmpp web
[17:14:49] <bear> I was noodling on the same thought
[17:15:08] <dwd> I'd actually suggest the other way around, possibly. We could potentially hook in a fair number of IETFers in London.
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[17:15:44] <dwd> ralphm, Ping?
[17:15:49] <bear> I was only suggesting fosdem because it's a large community and the summit is (IMO) all about community
[17:16:56] <bear> I'm going to suggest that we go forward knowing that we will do two events and then start planning for both
[17:17:10] <bear> s/going to/thinking about/ (insert other wiggle words as needed)
[17:17:27] <dwd> I think we can't do much planning until we know if we have a stand of any form.
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[17:18:00] <bear> for fosdem - agree (guess i'm being an optimist)
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[17:22:26] <dwd> https://fosdem.org/2014/stands/ -- There's still a few blanks there.
[17:22:50] <Zash> A few
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[17:31:10] <waqas> Have we decided where we are going? I need to figure out visas and stuff ASAP.
[17:31:32] <dwd> waqas, I'm not sure we can decide on Brussels without hearing from FOSDEM.
[17:31:57] <waqas> MattJ has been trying to get me into the UK
[17:32:09] <dwd> waqas, Is his suitcase big enough?
[17:32:32] <waqas> He took it with him. It /was/ big enough.
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[17:37:27] <dwd> Oh! I'd actually forgotten about the Suitcase Of Doom™.
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[17:40:06] <bear> I'm still hoping for the "after" pictures of the Suitcase of Doom
[17:40:20] <waqas> And to imagine it was fully packed. Seriously, both of us combined were having a hard time moving his luggage around, I'm not sure how he managed it alone last time :)
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[17:40:43] <Zash> And I could fit everything I brought in my computer bag...
[17:40:50] <waqas> Oh, there is a picture floating around somewhere, with an Apple sticker added to the suitcase :)
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[18:26:36] <ralphm> I still haven't heard back from FOSDEM. I'm pinging them.
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[18:30:03] <intosi> Thanks, ralphm.
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[18:33:58] <ralphm> "Sorry for the delay, expect a mail tonight or tomorrow."
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[19:44:40] <ralphm> About that, little birdie told me to get our Jingle on.
[19:45:29] <fippo> there is a message hidden there, isnt it?
[19:47:49] <ralphm> Let's say they don't want us to announce it before sending out 80 e-mails today or tomorrow.
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[23:35:26] <MattJ> xmmp.org is not registered...
[23:36:02] <waqas> I've actually mis-typed that a few times :)