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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[11:57:54] <dwd> It's depressing that ./configure now takes significantly longer than compiling, on almost any project.
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[12:01:34] <Simon> +1
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[12:14:05] <fippo> dwd: https://www.mobilespan.com/content/chrome-is-the-new-c-runtime -- they must have been listening to you
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[12:15:14] <fippo> even though I suspect the author think that "libjingle" is the "xmpp client"
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[12:15:32] <Steffen Larsen> fippo: saw the article. really cool
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[12:15:58] <Steffen Larsen> fippo: are they using XEP-0048 for synching the bookmarks? anyone know that?
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[12:44:49] <Kev> fippo: I abuse Swift's build system and helper classes when I do other stuff.
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[14:11:55] <ralphm> fippo: I was just going to paste that article.
[14:12:47] <ralphm> fippo: given what they say the XMPP bits are used for, I don't think he means libjingle at all
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[14:16:07] <ralphm> dwd: I've always wondered why 95% of the things done by autoconf and accomplices couldn't be stored in a registry
[14:16:42] <fippo> ralphm: hopefully... libjingle ceased to exist a couple of months ago ;-)
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[14:17:02] <ralphm> This registry could be filled u[pn install time of libs and other pkgs
[14:17:34] <ralphm> fippo: what's the core of webrtc support in chrome then?
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[14:18:29] <fippo> it's called "webrtc". they even deleted all the old stuff to make svn blame harder ;-)
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[14:20:26] <ralphm> fippo: you should do a reconstructed git repo
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[14:22:06] <fippo> ralphm: that would only be useful if google stopped doing roll-over commits from their internal repo
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[14:25:53] <ralphm> heh
[14:26:24] <ralphm> That's a thing people do with svn
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[14:27:44] <ralphm> Despite Subversion having gained some improvements in recent time, I think people have just given up and switched to a dvcs
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[14:41:48] <fippo> mh... http://www.ucstrategies.com/unified-communications-expert-views/is-federation-exposing-your-uc-servers-to-denial-of-service-attacks.aspx
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[14:42:24] <fippo> i think I can call myself an xmpp expert and disagree with the implicit statement that DoS is a problem (at xmpp level)
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[14:43:54] <waqas> There /is/ an argument to be made there though, many parts of many XMPP servers aren't hardened
[14:44:04] <fippo> sure.
[14:44:17] <waqas> But yeah, I agree with you
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[15:19:02] <fippo> arr, i just commented that i am not convinced. let's see if anyone tries to argue with me ;-)
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[16:27:06] <ralphm> fippo: not arguing but ask Kev en intosi about recent MUC incidents over at jabber.org
[16:27:46] <ralphm> it might not be inherent to the protocol, but there are issues
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[16:30:02] <fippo> ralphm: jabber.org has to run open federation
[16:30:09] <fippo> for businesses I don't think that is true.
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[16:53:19] <ralphm> good point
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[16:54:17] <ralphm> but I suppose that, increasingly, business will want to be part of the open federation
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[17:01:29] <fippo> yeah. some persons, whereas others will remain invisible to the outside.
[17:01:49] <fippo> but that's just a matter of modelling the internal structures appropriately ;-)
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