simonRalphm: I agree. It's a hard problem and one of the best solutions is IMAP. Short of that, storing a timestamp of the last read message seems like a decent way to solve it (not the best, but a good start).
ralphmExcept IMAP is horrible in a bunch of ways. I hope MAM will up the ante.
dwdIMAP is also quite nice in a number of ways. Very badly misunderstood, though.
KevI'm not sure I've got to the really horrible bits yet.
simonThe IMAP spec isn't descriptive enough on some cases. But it does what it promises across a range of servers and clients.
ralphmdwd: I wasn't necessarily talking about the protocol only. Many things are implementation flaws.
dwdKev, Esoteric bits of the LIST command, some of the legacy gunk, most of the mailbox heirarchy stuff.
simonleaving the door to marking individual posts read in MAM would be nice.
ralphmAlso, I'm wondering why you have to have multiple connections for IDLE to get updates on multiple folders
KevLance and I (and others) were discussing this in hallways (this being message sync in XMPP), and I think there's a chance one or other of us will finish my multi-client thing at some point with some suggestions of how to do it.
Kevralphm: Well, yes, that bit is a little suboptimal.
dwdralphm, That too. And why you need IDLE at all (you shouldn't, according to the spec)
ralphmI have had to tell our IMAP server to have a gazillion possible connections
ralphm'cause I have many folders
dwdralphm, And some clients do two connections per folder (IDLE + read), plus another for appending.
ralphmAaaand we're back talking about e-mail
dwdMail's where all the trendy people are these days.
simonI heard it can do push
dwdReally - and mostly because it's an open federated network, so anyone can jump in with a new entrant.
superficial, shallow, materialistic
KevThanks wikipedia :)
dwdstpeter, Any chance you could mail that invoice template you had to board@?
Ge0rGralphm: no MAM in yaxim yet
ralphmGe0rG: ok, but that's Zash' page
Ge0rGralphm: "reported issues" does not look like a promise of support to me ;)
Ge0rGralphm: btw, what was the name of that ribs place again?
ralphmAux Paves de Bruxelles
Ge0rGthanks very much
ralphmgoing to B again?
Ge0rGno, logging my expenses
bearhmm, I wonder if Kev has the answers we used from a prior gsoc app (I am searching my side now)