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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[05:40:24] <bear> has anyone created a google summer of code profile yet? I'm filling in the org profile and they now require a backup admin
[05:49:03] *bear sends the question to the members list
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[08:11:34] <Kev> I have not, but can easily do so.
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[16:33:38] <ralphm> Which client and server implementations do MAM in a reasonably fashion at the moment? (Knowing it is still experimental)
[16:34:11] <Tobias> prosody & otalk?
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[16:34:21] <Tobias> maybe gajim too
[16:34:33] <Tobias> and possibly yaxim
[16:35:57] <dwd> I don't think either. I could be wrong, though.
[16:36:01] <dwd> Ge0rG, ?
[16:36:16] <Tobias> https://www.zash.se/mam.html should give an overview
[16:37:19] <simon> we do lots of MAM on buddycloud but that's for messages from your channel - not <message> :)
[16:38:57] <ralphm> https://twitter.com/gkatsev/statuses/431462993545945088
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[16:44:12] <simon> Ralphm: I agree. It's a hard problem and one of the best solutions is IMAP. Short of that, storing a timestamp of the last read message seems like a decent way to solve it (not the best, but a good start).
[16:44:58] <ralphm> Except IMAP is horrible in a bunch of ways. I hope MAM will up the ante.
[16:45:26] <dwd> IMAP is also quite nice in a number of ways. Very badly misunderstood, though.
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[16:45:45] <Kev> I'm not sure I've got to the really horrible bits yet.
[16:46:00] <simon> The IMAP spec isn't descriptive enough on some cases. But it does what it promises across a range of servers and clients.
[16:46:02] <ralphm> dwd: I wasn't necessarily talking about the protocol only. Many things are implementation flaws.
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[16:46:31] <dwd> Kev, Esoteric bits of the LIST command, some of the legacy gunk, most of the mailbox heirarchy stuff.
[16:46:57] <simon> leaving the door to marking individual posts read in MAM would be nice.
[16:47:05] <ralphm> Also, I'm wondering why you have to have multiple connections for IDLE to get updates on multiple folders
[16:47:08] <Kev> Lance and I (and others) were discussing this in hallways (this being message sync in XMPP), and I think there's a chance one or other of us will finish my multi-client thing at some point with some suggestions of how to do it.
[16:47:21] <Kev> ralphm: Well, yes, that bit is a little suboptimal.
[16:47:31] <dwd> ralphm, That too. And why you need IDLE at all (you shouldn't, according to the spec)
[16:47:51] <ralphm> I have had to tell our IMAP server to have a gazillion possible connections
[16:48:01] <ralphm> 'cause I have many folders
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[16:48:38] <dwd> ralphm, And some clients do two connections per folder (IDLE + read), plus another for appending.
[16:48:49] <ralphm> yeah
[16:50:01] <ralphm> Aaaand we're back talking about e-mail
[16:50:29] <dwd> Mail's where all the trendy people are these days.
[16:50:59] <simon> I heard it can do push
[16:51:02] <dwd> Really - and mostly because it's an open federated network, so anyone can jump in with a new entrant.
[16:51:09] <Kev> Synonyms
superficial, shallow, materialistic
[16:51:13] <Kev> Thanks wikipedia :)
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[17:27:15] <dwd> stpeter, Any chance you could mail that invoice template you had to board@?
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[17:29:59] <Ge0rG> ralphm: no MAM in yaxim yet
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[17:34:50] <ralphm> Ge0rG: ok, but that's Zash' page
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[17:36:12] <Ge0rG> ralphm: "reported issues" does not look like a promise of support to me ;)
[17:36:21] <Ge0rG> ralphm: btw, what was the name of that ribs place again?
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[17:37:39] <ralphm> Aux Paves de Bruxelles
[17:38:20] <Ge0rG> thanks very much
[17:39:24] <ralphm> going to B again?
[17:39:52] <Ge0rG> no, logging my expenses
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[18:54:10] <bear> hmm, I wonder if Kev has the answers we used from a prior gsoc app (I am searching my side now)
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[19:19:05] <Kev> Quite probably.
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[19:24:33] <Kev> Saying that, I can't find it.
[19:24:37] <Kev> Maybe I usually rewrite it each year.
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[20:07:50] <bear> yea, I couldn't find it either
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