XSF Discussion - 2014-02-27


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  67. Maranda somehow finds having a good XMPP client on iOS to be "utopistic".
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  83. intosi Maranda: why?
  84. Tobias what's mainly missing is a PUSH standardization, and that's being worked on by Lance et al. IIRC
  85. intosi True.
  86. Ge0rG Tobias: what is also missing is a privacy-convenience slider rule
  87. Tobias with an image in the middle that fades between EFF and NSA, the more left the slide the more EFF shines through, the more right the slider and the NSA logo dominates?
  88. intosi But even without push, all clients I tested so far have show-stopping issues, such as not being able to connect to a site not offering SSLv3 (only TLSv1+), or crashing at random, or weird set-up, or only functioning as a foreground app.
  89. Tobias intosi, where have you seen that SSLv3 thing? on iOS?
  90. intosi Tobias: iOS 7 on my iPad, with Monal IM.
  91. intosi Other clients can connect to that same server, only Monal refuses. It does want to connect to the same setup with SSLv3 enabled.
  92. Tobias hmm..wonder if they are using apple's high security TLS implementation, instead of something interoperability proven like openssl :)
  93. Tobias http://monal.im/ wonder how it does both, connect directly and stay open in the background
  94. intosi Haven't tried that bit, so no idea if it does.
  95. Tobias IIRC Kev mentioned one has to trick around to have even a short background time (i.e. 15 min) on iOS
  96. Ge0rG there is only one way to comment on this: goto fail;
  97. Ge0rG iOS allows long-running background tasks for voip and some others
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  106. Maranda Tobias, Monal just doesn't, after the BG task execution hits the timeout it'll disconnect
  107. Maranda at least that's how it behaved when I tried it.
  108. Tobias Maranda, ahh..ok
  109. Ge0rG iOS XMPP clients belong into one of two groups: usability-broken or security-broken
  110. Tobias can't they have both broken?
  111. intosi Tobias: I'm sure they can.
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  115. simon Ge0rG has a refreshing way of saying how things are. Nice to have you more involved with the XSF Ge0rG.
  116. Ge0rG simon: nobody is served by keeping the truth hidden...
  117. Maranda 1
  118. Maranda +1
  119. Maranda would add also "or plainly-broken"
  120. Maranda I have got reports from users of clients on the AppStore which don't work at all.
  121. Maranda I have got reports from users of clients on the AppStore that don't work at all.
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  124. Ge0rG I've got reports from users who fail to connect to yax.im because SSLv3
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  136. Kev Looking at http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0059.html there seems to be a crazy number of SHOULDs in there that have no business not being MUSTs.
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  138. stpeter patches welcome :-)
  139. ralphm stpeter: ^o^ _o_ ^o^
  140. ralphm also, slow clap
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  146. fippo mh.... I smell bacon
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  152. stpeter hi
  153. stpeter now is the time?
  154. Kev So it seems.
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  158. Alex sorry guys, was on the phone
  159. Alex I am prepared now ;-)
  160. Alex ok, lets start
  161. Alex bangs the gavel
  162. Alex here is our AGenda for today: http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/meeting-minutes/xsf-member-meeting-2014-02-27/
  163. Alex 1) Call for Quorum
  164. Alex as you can see 34 members voted via proxy, so we already have a quorum
  165. Alex 2) Items Subject to a Vote
  166. Alex new and returning members, you can see all applicants here: http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_Q1_2014
  167. Alex 3) Opportunity for XSF Members to Vote in the Meeting
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  169. Alex anybody here who has not voted yet?
  170. Alex don't think so
  171. Alex so I'll shutdown the bot and prepare the results
  172. stpeter yay :-)
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  174. Alex 4) Announcement of Voting Results
  175. Alex if you reload the page at: http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/meeting-minutes/xsf-member-meeting-2014-02-27/ you can see the reuslts
  176. Alex all new and returning members are accepted
  177. Alex 5) Any Other Business?
  178. stpeter hey, who voted against Alex??
  179. Alex yes I did
  180. stpeter heh
  181. stpeter hmm, other business
  182. stpeter don't forget to volunteer for the UPnP Liaison Team if you're interested or want to help out
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  184. stpeter and a big thanks to the new editorial team
  185. stpeter nothing else from me at this time, I think
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  187. Alex ya, I have to check which work I can do for the XSF, not very active any more in teh admin team since the server switch and other changes
  188. Alex 6) Formal Adjournment
  189. Alex I motion that we adjourn
  190. bear seconds
  191. Alex bangs the gavel
  192. MiGri Alex: thanks
  193. Alex thanks guys
  194. bear thanks Alex!
  195. Zash Thanks Alex
  196. stpeter +1
  197. stpeter thanks as always to Alex for keeping us in business :-)
  198. Kev Quite.
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