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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[12:07:14] *Maranda somehow finds having a good XMPP client on iOS to be "utopistic".
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[13:09:03] <intosi> Maranda: why?
[13:10:53] <Tobias> what's mainly missing is a PUSH standardization, and that's being worked on by Lance et al. IIRC
[13:11:12] <intosi> True.
[13:12:09] <Ge0rG> Tobias: what is also missing is a privacy-convenience slider rule
[13:13:06] <Tobias> with an image in the middle that fades between EFF and NSA, the more left the slide the more EFF shines through, the more right the slider and the NSA logo dominates?
[13:13:18] <intosi> But even without push, all clients I tested so far have show-stopping issues, such as not being able to connect to a site not offering SSLv3 (only TLSv1+), or crashing at random, or weird set-up, or only functioning as a foreground app.
[13:14:17] <Tobias> intosi, where have you seen that SSLv3 thing? on iOS?
[13:14:31] <intosi> Tobias: iOS 7 on my iPad, with Monal IM.
[13:15:05] <intosi> Other clients can connect to that same server, only Monal refuses. It does want to connect to the same setup with SSLv3 enabled.
[13:15:07] <Tobias> hmm..wonder if they are using apple's high security TLS implementation, instead of something interoperability proven like openssl :)
[13:17:03] <Tobias> http://monal.im/ wonder how it does both, connect directly and stay open in the background
[13:17:57] <intosi> Haven't tried that bit, so no idea if it does.
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[13:19:03] <Tobias> IIRC Kev mentioned one has to trick around to have even a short background time (i.e. 15 min) on iOS
[13:19:09] <Ge0rG> there is only one way to comment on this: goto fail;
[13:19:34] <Ge0rG> iOS allows long-running background tasks for voip and some others
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[13:43:37] <Maranda> Tobias, Monal just doesn't, after the BG task execution hits the timeout it'll disconnect
[13:43:51] <Maranda> at least that's how it behaved when I tried it.
[13:44:06] <Tobias> Maranda, ahh..ok
[13:47:37] <Ge0rG> iOS XMPP clients belong into one of two groups: usability-broken or security-broken
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[13:54:28] <Tobias> can't they have both broken?
[13:54:48] <intosi> Tobias: I'm sure they can.
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[14:17:53] <simon> Ge0rG has a refreshing way of saying how things are. Nice to have you more involved with the XSF Ge0rG.
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[14:20:21] <Ge0rG> simon: nobody is served by keeping the truth hidden...
[14:24:40] <Maranda> 1
[14:24:43] <Maranda> +1
[14:26:11] *Maranda would add also "or plainly-broken"
[14:27:35] <Maranda> I have got reports from users of clients on the AppStore which don't work at all.
[14:27:57] <Maranda> I have got reports from users of clients on the AppStore that don't work at all.
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[14:46:19] <Ge0rG> I've got reports from users who fail to connect to yax.im because SSLv3
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[16:37:23] <Kev> Looking at http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0059.html there seems to be a crazy number of SHOULDs in there that have no business not being MUSTs.
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[16:41:05] <stpeter> patches welcome :-)
[16:44:37] <ralphm> stpeter: ^o^ _o_ ^o^
[16:44:55] <ralphm> also, slow clap
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[20:02:33] <stpeter> hi
[20:02:38] <stpeter> now is the time?
[20:03:33] <Kev> So it seems.
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[20:07:12] <Alex> sorry guys, was on the phone
[20:07:37] <Alex> I am prepared now ;-)
[20:08:34] <Alex> ok, lets start
[20:08:42] *Alex bangs the gavel
[20:08:57] <Alex> here is our AGenda for today:
http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/meeting-minutes/xsf-member-meeting-2014-02-27/
[20:09:08] <Alex> 1) Call for Quorum
[20:09:27] <Alex> as you can see 34 members voted via proxy, so we already have a quorum
[20:09:40] <Alex> 2) Items Subject to a Vote
[20:10:01] <Alex> new and returning members, you can see all applicants here:
http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_Q1_2014
[20:10:16] <Alex> 3) Opportunity for XSF Members to Vote in the Meeting
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[20:10:29] <Alex> anybody here who has not voted yet?
[20:11:41] <Alex> don't think so
[20:11:57] <Alex> so I'll shutdown the bot and prepare the results
[20:12:29] <stpeter> yay :-)
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[20:14:09] <Alex> 4) Announcement of Voting Results
[20:14:25] <Alex> if you reload the page at:
http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/meeting-minutes/xsf-member-meeting-2014-02-27/

you can see the reuslts
[20:14:37] <Alex> all new and returning members are accepted
[20:15:12] <Alex> 5) Any Other Business?
[20:15:14] <stpeter> hey, who voted against Alex??
[20:15:24] <Alex> yes I did
[20:15:27] <stpeter> heh
[20:16:04] <stpeter> hmm, other business
[20:16:25] <stpeter> don't forget to volunteer for the UPnP Liaison Team if you're interested or want to help out
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[20:17:55] <stpeter> and a big thanks to the new editorial team
[20:18:01] <stpeter> nothing else from me at this time, I think
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[20:18:30] <Alex> ya, I have to check which work I can do for the XSF, not very active any more in teh admin team since the server switch and other changes
[20:19:13] <Alex> 6) Formal Adjournment
[20:19:20] <Alex> I motion that we adjourn
[20:19:43] *bear seconds
[20:19:46] *Alex bangs the gavel
[20:19:49] <MiGri> Alex: thanks
[20:19:51] <Alex> thanks guys
[20:19:56] <bear> thanks Alex!
[20:20:31] <Zash> Thanks Alex
[20:20:49] <stpeter> +1
[20:20:59] <stpeter> thanks as always to Alex for keeping us in business :-)
[20:21:32] <Kev> Quite.
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