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[07:26:44] <Zash> Ge0rG: inline signing, s/in/on/ ?
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[07:35:32] <Zash> Haven't seen inline before in this context, but it sounds like you mean online signing
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[07:36:52] <xnyhps> Zash: Well the BIND feature really appears to be called "inline-signing"
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[07:42:16] <Zash> I think PowerDNS calls it online signing
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[07:46:50] <dwd> Ge0rG, That blog post looks good. I might have to try it all out; there's a free DNSSEC anycast slave service run by a guy I know that I've been meaning to use.
[07:48:20] <Kevish> "I know a guy"
[07:49:08] <dwd> Exactly.
[07:49:31] <intosi> I have been using inline signing in BIND for quite a while now. Very useful.
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[07:52:01] <Zash> I do offline signing, in which the signatures are embedded in the zone file. Almost like they are inlined. Imagine my confusion.
[07:52:43] <dwd> Kevish, Been thinking about PEP, MUC2/MIX, and MAM, BTW - I think we need a way to distinguish between ephemeral and whatever-the-opposite-of-that-is events. I think MAM currently distinguishes these purely on the basis of containing a <body/>, but I think the reality is more complex than that.
[07:53:14] <Zash> Not sure how you would use a slave server with online signing
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[07:54:29] <Zash> dwd: Stanza profiles?
[07:55:53] <dwd> Possibly, but I think it might need per-event processing. If MUC2/MIX sends real message stanzas (as opposed to pubsub events) it's simpler, but otherwise non of those will be captured by MAM.
[07:55:55] <Kevish> dwd: Could be.
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[07:56:02] <Zash> I kinda wanted to use type == chat or has body
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[07:56:30] <dwd> Zash, I would prefer as simple a rule as possible, as well.
[07:56:47] <Zash> Currently enjoying my archive being 90% chat states
[07:56:59] <ralphm> hehe
[07:57:02] <Kevish> But isn't that useful?
[07:57:14] <Kevish> I'd have thought it'd be important to know that before they sent am essage, your contact started typing it.
[07:57:32] <Kevish> Useful detection that your contact isn't a bot, for example.
[07:57:39] <Zash> I'd like to say in the mam query 'only messages with a body, please'
[07:58:03] <Kevish> Zash: Nothing stops your server offering such a thing.
[07:58:22] <Kevish> Given the data forms.
[07:58:31] <dwd> Zash, Well, that's another issue - filtered MAM queries, since you want to have clients pull, say, geoloc events as well as chat.
[07:58:44] <Kevish> Yeah, we've got that already.
[07:58:54] <Kevish> Just shove whatever you want in a data form.
[07:59:06] <Zash> Kevish: my laziness and desire for a simple implementation does
[07:59:06] <Kevish> And then, if necessary, standardise the form fields.
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[07:59:24] <dwd> Kevish, I'm not claiming it's difficult to do.
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[07:59:36] <dwd> Kevish, Just claiming that we'll need to address these things.
[08:00:02] <Kevish> Right, I was saying that we have addressed 'these things' as much as we need to generally.
[08:00:17] <Kevish> And it's just a case of speccing (or not) each individual thing that needs handling.
[08:00:17] <ralphm> what about things like pubsub notifications with body elements for clients dat don't support pubsub?
[08:00:32] <ralphm> I've seen useful applications of that, using type=chat, too, by the way.
[08:00:59] <Kevish> ralphm: I think that in this day and age that's a bad thing, because it's going to mess with so much.
[08:01:06] <ralphm> (I suppose I'm not opposed to MAMing pubsub, but hey, I wanted to bring it up)
[08:01:10] <Kevish> (Outside closed systems that can do whatever they want)
[08:01:19] <Zash> ralphm: PubSub has stuff for configuring that right ?
[08:01:36] <ralphm> Zash: the protocol might have. Implementations, I don't know.
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[08:01:54] <dwd> There is, of course, the <no-store/> hint.
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[14:47:19] <Ge0rG> Zash: re DNSSEC online/inline signing, you can also run a hidden primary that does the signing...
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[15:01:04] <Zash> Ge0rG: I could, I have two slaves.
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[15:06:51] <Ge0rG> Zash: sex slaves, I hope.
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[15:15:00] <Kevish> Inappropriate.
[15:16:11] <Zash> I'm sorry. I'll guess it's my head when the robot revolution comes
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[15:23:54] <Ge0rG> Kevish: sorry. I tried hard to come up with a good SJW argument and failed.
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[15:32:11] <Zash> The menu on new.xmpp.org doesn't appear to work on my phone
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[16:05:12] <Ge0rG> Dear HN sock puppets, ehrm... I mean, dear proponents of XMPP on HN, please contribute to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10400184 / http://op-co.de/blog/posts/yax_im_dnssec/
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[16:38:57] <SamWhited> 'dat HN title...
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[16:42:48] <Ge0rG> SamWhited: it's the post title, and HN policy is not to edit titles.
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[16:45:58] <SamWhited> Is it? I feel like most HN posts have a descriptive title... interesting.
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[16:55:33] <Ge0rG> SamWhited: probably because the original titles are descriptive as well.
[16:55:37] <intosi > Looks like people are playing techno buzz bingo on HN
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[16:56:04] <Ge0rG> intosi : yes they are.
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[17:07:52] <ralphm> Given that the article has 'I' in there, who wrote it? Why isn't the author's name visible near the post?
[17:08:44] <ralphm> Ge0rG: (I assume it was you)
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[17:09:34] <Ge0rG> ralphm: I did. It's on my personal blog, which is based on ikiwiki, which is rather arcane.
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[17:10:00] <ralphm> Ge0rG: you can't get an author's name in there anywhere, but have funky titles with mixed markup?
[17:10:31] <Ge0rG> ralphm: there is no mixed markup in the title. the long version of the title is merely bold text.
[17:11:01] <ralphm> Oh, I thought the subtitle was a separate thing
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[20:32:15] <SamWhited> Just submitted a new protoxep for something at work; if anyone's an XML schema expert, would you mind reviewing? I just copy/pasted from another spec and changed the namespaces/element names; no clue if it's remotely correct: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/110
[20:33:17] <SamWhited> more direct link: https://github.com/hipchat/xeps/blob/attach_to/inbox/attachto.xml#L156
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[20:35:32] <Kev> Schemas for Experimental are optional.
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[20:37:06] <SamWhited> Oh, that makes sense; shouldn't have bothered. Oh well.
[20:37:16] <Kev> Saves you time later.
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