Monday, November 09, 2015
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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[08:17:35] <goffi> hi
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[12:05:24] <xnyhps> Is there a plan for draft-cridland-xmpp-session-01?
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[12:10:21] <dwd> Ah. No, but there should be; I think there was consensus on it already.
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[14:05:17] <Zash> Also spam
[14:05:38] <Zash> Yet another ejabberd with open registration
[14:06:11] <Zash> Spam about datacenters that allow spammers ...
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[14:34:02] <Ge0rG> there is also a prosody allowing open registration on some domain I own...
[14:34:29] <Zash> None of the recent spam sources have been anything but ejabberds with open registration
[14:34:54] <Zash> That I have seen at least.
[14:35:12] <Ge0rG> So why is it only ejabberd?
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[14:35:51] <Holger> "ejabberd -- the spammer's server of choice!"
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[14:40:01] <intosi> Ge0rG: perhaps because there's a large install base.
[14:40:31] <Ge0rG> I'm still waiting for the day when I wake up and have a gazillion of spam abuse messages in my inbox
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[14:41:05] <Ge0rG> ..and I can't do nothing about ot
[14:41:06] <Zash> Large install base. Preferences of people who aim to have one billion users. Default config?
[14:41:08] <Ge0rG> ..and I can't do nithing about ot
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[14:44:18] <intosi> The attacks on jabber.org two years back all came from ejabberd servers with open reg as well.
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[14:50:08] <FOSS81405971> And what of Jappix, in discussion of spam & abuse?
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[14:51:39] <Tobias> Lance, http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0358.html can work with MUC, right?
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[14:52:12] <Lance> yes
[14:53:35] <Holger> Lance: How's that meant to work? My client subscribes the PEP nodes of the other participants?
[14:55:53] <Lance> You could. Or the room has an associated pubsub node for files that these are published to
[14:56:05] <Lance> or you include the jinglepub in a message and just send it
[14:57:03] <Tobias> for MUC1 it'd probably best to just put it in a message and send it
[14:57:17] <Tobias> for MUC2 a dedicated node would probably be the way to go
[14:59:07] <Holger> I think that really ends up being too complex a solution for sharing cat pics.
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[15:59:01] <dwd> That's almost a Board, there.
[15:59:20] <Will> almost
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[15:59:48] <Laura> Hola
[15:59:58] <Laura> Who do we have today then? I know adam isn't around
[16:00:03] <SamWhited> What's almost a board? A log that's sitting in the lumber yard next to the planer?
[16:00:38] <Laura> I see Will - how about simon or ralph?
[16:00:39] <Zash> Yell "Timber!" and see if anyone shows up?
[16:00:48] <simon> here.
[16:00:58] <Will> SamWhited, we're an unfinished board. Although actually we're almost a finished board.
[16:01:12] <Laura> *bangs gavel*

Let’s start the meeting!
[16:01:28] <Laura> Following g on from our email about the structure of these meetings, our agenda looks as follows:
[16:01:47] <Laura> Agenda for today

1. Roll call and agenda agreement
2. Review website commitment list
3. Review commitment list from last time
4. Review items for discussion
5. AOB
6. Time and date of next
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[16:02:20] <Laura> #1 has happened (adam and ralphm both absent)
[16:02:38] <Laura> #2 website. This could get interesting without adam… Simon, can you provide an update?
[16:03:28] <simon> we have the following tasks that need to be done for the launch: https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/milestones/Launch
[16:03:54] <simon> and actually I see two on there that can be wiped off.
[16:03:58] <Laura> Do we have people doing them, or do we need help?
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[16:04:30] <simon> They all have assignees.
[16:04:52] <Laura> Lovely stuff. Do we have an idea on go-live?
[16:04:56] <simon> imho, we should just set a date for a dns switch over and then deal with the consequences.
[16:05:03] <Will> +1
[16:05:15] <Laura> +1
[16:05:15] <simon> I’d feel comfortable for this time next week.
[16:05:31] <Laura> Let's aim for it! Simon, can you update and talk to adam about this?
[16:05:46] <simon> then we play “they that complain, submit pull requests”
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[16:06:04] <simon> ok - I’ll email Adam and cc’ board@
[16:06:24] <Laura> Thanks
[16:06:39] <Laura> #3 Review commitment list from last time
[16:07:09] <Laura> First task is mine, and I honestly can't remember if I nudged dwd about the Council reviewing the website before launch?
[16:07:19] <Laura> I ask, hoping he is paying attention
[16:07:41] <simon> We did.
[16:07:44] <simon> There was no response.
[16:08:12] <simon> (paraphrasing DWD)
[16:08:21] <Laura> Ok, it was more a courtesy thing than anything - I just wanted to make sure they had an opportunity
[16:08:38] <Laura> The nmext action was you Simon - following up on treasurer role?
[16:08:53] <simon> I think we’re close enough that any changes can be rolled in right away.
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[16:09:04] <Laura> Great
[16:09:19] <dwd> I'd suggest putting it through a last call, and requiring comments to come in with PRs.
[16:09:20] <simon> re treasurer… no good excuses on my end… I’ll ping him now too.
[16:09:26] <fippo> simon: well, there was at least one PR as a result of this review
[16:09:30] <simon> DWD: I like it.
[16:09:51] <Laura> Dwd - can you bring this up at the Council meeting?
[16:09:58] <simon> fippo: thanks. They have been useful and I’ve been trying to process them as quick as they come in.
[16:10:03] <Laura> Simon, thanks. I know you have been busy with the website
[16:10:11] <stpeter> sorry I'm late
[16:10:18] <Laura> No worries stpeter
[16:10:26] <Laura> #4 Review items for discussion
[16:10:43] <Laura> Starting with the 2 items that might have been discussed post-Board last week
[16:11:00] <Laura> Was anyone around with ralphm who talked summit/FOSDEM ?
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[16:11:45] <dwd> Laura, No more Council meetings until next term.
[16:11:53] <Laura> Ah, ok - I will email
[16:12:15] <Laura> I will also take that silence as no one had a post-Board chat (which is totally fine, it was an open thing)
[16:12:35] <Laura> I wonder if simon / adam managed to work out what to do about the website strapline (the other dicussion topic)?
[16:13:12] <stpeter> I had a suggestion for the strapline (if a strapline is what I think it is...)
[16:13:18] <simon> No new strapline comments. I’m also happy for a flurry of “pull requests to fix that” or at least a discussion thread opening up when it’s live.
[16:13:51] *stpeter nods to Simon
[16:14:26] <simon> Peter - could you start a new strapline issue on GH and then we can keep this there (and Laura happy with a short meeting)?
[16:14:35] *simon is curious…
[16:14:45] <Laura> I like this approach Simon. I suggest we give the site being live a few days before we try to generate new views etc (tweets etc) anyway, give people time to do their requests
[16:14:49] <stpeter> Simon: sure thing
[16:14:55] <Laura> Great!
[16:15:07] <Laura> #5 AOB
[16:15:17] <Laura> There are 2, both of which have my name on
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[16:15:34] <Laura> Number 1 - Request from Florian for a contribution towards his GSoC mentor costs - $418
[16:15:57] <Laura> stpeter - just to double check, we haven't done this before have we? And that's not me saying we shouldn't, just checking history
[16:16:21] <Will> have we done that before.... oh
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[16:18:47] <stpeter> Laura: I do not recall that we have ever done that, no
[16:18:56] <Laura> Board - thoughts?
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[16:19:15] <dwd> We have paid for people to go to things, assuming that's what this is.
[16:19:30] <Will> if we do it for one we really have to offer to do it for all
[16:19:38] <Laura> That's my thinking Will
[16:19:42] <Will> all mentors that is
[16:20:22] <simon> Do we have an idea of what these costs were?
[16:20:33] <Will> do we have a breakdown of what the costs were?
[16:20:50] <Laura> Travel and accomodation
[16:21:33] <stpeter> We've never sent anyone to the mentor summit before
[16:21:35] <dwd> This is the travel to Google, then?
[16:21:39] <Laura> Not travel sorry, that was covered
[16:21:41] <stpeter> yes
[16:21:55] <Laura> Words: The 1100 USD seem to cover my travel expenses, incl. the transfer from
airport to the hotel and back. I plan to stay from Sep 5. - Sep 9, the
summit is from Sep. 6. - Sep. 8., so I've to pay 2 nights out of my own
Pocket, around 400 USD. Given that my financial situation is not solid
yet (student), and that the mentoring organization receives 500 USD per
student, could the XSF imagine to cover (a part of) this?
[16:22:13] <dwd> The XSF gets paid by Google for the GSoC, so I imagine we would still make a profit if we did.
[16:22:44] <simon> Not sure that profit is the right word… but I’m with dwd on this one.
[16:23:22] <simon> +1 for payment and big thank-you to the mentors for their efforts.
[16:23:33] <Laura> So, Simon & Will - happy in this instance to cover the 418 USD for Florian, using the money received from Google?
[16:23:38] <Laura> +1 from me
[16:23:55] <Will> if it's a legitimate GSOC expense then we can pay but we really ought to canvas the other mentors to see if they have similar claims (they may assume no money was available)
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[16:24:36] <Will> so, +0.5 from me
[16:24:39] <Laura> We only sent 2 people, so I can speak to Joachim and check?
[16:24:51] <Laura> We can decide once I have checked with him?
[16:25:05] <Will> I think that sounds sensible
[16:25:12] <Laura> Taken.
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[16:25:44] <Laura> My last AOB (there may be more) - when is our last Board meeting, as current Board?
[16:26:01] <Will> next week I think
[16:26:09] <stpeter> yes
[16:26:28] <Laura> Monday 16th Nov?
[16:27:00] <Laura> Great. Any other AOBs?
[16:27:01] <Will> yup
[16:27:18] <Will> I mean "yes" to Mon 16, not to AOB
[16:27:21] <Laura> :)
[16:27:29] <Laura> Any AOB simon?
[16:27:48] <simon> I’m good - emailed about the launch (next Monday).
[16:27:52] <Laura> #6 Time and date of next
[16:28:02] <Laura> Same time, next week - for the final meeting!
[16:28:09] <stpeter> yay :-)
[16:28:11] <Laura> *bangs gavel* Thanks all
[16:28:30] <Laura> It will be awesome to go live with the website on the same day as out last meeting
[16:29:00] <simon> +1
[16:29:11] <SamWhited> Nice; well done!
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[16:29:28] <Will> my last day on the board will see the website I took on as my first board assignment (way back when) replaced :-)
[16:29:29] <stpeter> indeed!
[16:29:34] <stpeter> haha
[16:30:23] <Laura> It's like the circle of Will's life in the XSF
[16:31:12] <Will> hopefully just my life in the XSF, rather than the whole thing!
[16:32:14] <FOSS81405971> "Final meeting"? What is happening to the XSF?
[16:32:46] <Zash> Board election.
[16:33:43] <Will> out with the old, in with the new (partly)
[16:34:02] <FOSS81405971> Oh, I see. And you're not seeking consideration, Will .
[16:34:05] <simon> already feels old without being labelled by will.
[16:34:06] *FOSS81405971 nods.
[16:34:24] <Will> correct
[16:34:33] <stpeter> Simon: shall we send a note to the members@ list asking for website review and feedback (issues & PRs) in the run-up to launch?
[16:34:49] <simon> peter: leave it with me.
[16:35:00] <stpeter> OK!
[16:35:16] <FOSS81405971> Thanks for answering my question.
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[16:59:03] <Ge0rG> what's the best way to handle typos on new.x.o? one pull request per typo? per document?
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[17:04:44] <simon> Georg: just keep the pull requests coming with as many or as few corrections as you like.
[17:05:06] <Ge0rG> simon: just made #76; need to run now, however...
[17:05:23] <Ge0rG> will read on later / tomorrow.
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[17:17:54] <stpeter> simon: https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/80
[17:18:19] <stpeter> I'll make an effort to provide updates throughout the week, but now I need to get back to day job tasks :-)
[17:18:44] <simon> merged your [rewriting] history changes.
[17:18:47] <simon> ;)
[17:19:32] <stpeter> hehehe
[17:22:25] <stpeter> the CI stuff is nice :-)
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[17:23:35] <stpeter> oh we already seem to have content for http://new.xmpp.org/about/standards-process so perhaps we can close https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/issues/40
[17:24:39] <stpeter> aha, it's already closed
[17:24:51] <stpeter> if only GitHub would update pages automatically
[17:25:29] <simon> peter: github wikis? ;)
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[17:25:39] <stpeter> it seems that I can still work on http://new.xmpp.org/uses/instant-messaging though
[17:25:58] <simon> oh yes please!
[17:25:58] <SamWhited> If you include "Fixes #40" in the commit somewhere, it will auto close it :)
[17:26:41] <stpeter> I think it would also be good to have a "uses" page about machine-to-machine comms
[17:26:44] <stpeter> SamWhited: yep :-)
[17:26:53] <stpeter> or maybe m2m falls under IoT
[17:27:23] <stpeter> I'll make a start on that, too
[17:28:06] <stpeter> http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/InternetOfThings has some content we can re-use :-)
[17:31:36] <stpeter> something for me to work on tonight, anyway...
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[20:47:57] <SamWhited> That's a new one... 'To unsubscribe, send "!StopSpam" jabber:jid@bin.vc' somehow I don't think I'll be trying that...
[20:48:03] <SamWhited> maybe with a fake JID.
[20:48:11] <SamWhited> Just to see how much more I get afterwards.
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