XSF logo XSF Discussion - 2015-11-23


  1. dwd has left
  2. dwd has left
  3. foss81405971 has joined
  4. dwd has left
  5. dwd has left
  6. dwd has left
  7. dwd has left
  8. dwd has left
  9. Jef has left
  10. Neustradamus has joined
  11. winfried has left
  12. dwd has left
  13. Jef has joined
  14. dwd has left
  15. dwd has left
  16. dwd has left
  17. dwd has left
  18. dwd has left
  19. dwd has left
  20. Tobias has left
  21. arty has left
  22. arty has joined
  23. Tobias has joined
  24. dwd has left
  25. dwd has left
  26. dwd has left
  27. xnyhps has left
  28. Jef has left
  29. dwd has left
  30. dwd has left
  31. dwd has left
  32. dwd has left
  33. dwd has left
  34. dwd has left
  35. dwd has left
  36. Jef has joined
  37. dwd has left
  38. dwd has left
  39. dwd has left
  40. dwd has left
  41. dwd has left
  42. dwd has left
  43. foss81405971 has joined
  44. SamWhited has left
  45. dwd has left
  46. SamWhited has joined
  47. dwd has left
  48. dwd has left
  49. dwd has left
  50. dwd has left
  51. dwd has left
  52. waqas has left
  53. dwd has left
  54. dwd has left
  55. dwd has left
  56. dwd has left
  57. dwd has left
  58. dwd has left
  59. waqas has joined
  60. dwd has left
  61. dwd has left
  62. dwd has left
  63. Jef has left
  64. dwd has left
  65. dwd has left
  66. Jef has joined
  67. Jef has left
  68. Jef has joined
  69. dwd has left
  70. dwd has left
  71. dwd has left
  72. dwd has left
  73. dwd has left
  74. dwd has left
  75. dwd has left
  76. dwd has left
  77. dwd has left
  78. Jef has left
  79. dwd has left
  80. dwd has left
  81. waqas has left
  82. dwd has left
  83. dwd has left
  84. dwd has left
  85. dwd has left
  86. dwd has left
  87. SouL has left
  88. intosi has left
  89. intosi has joined
  90. dwd has left
  91. dwd has left
  92. Nÿco has joined
  93. Lance has joined
  94. foss81405971 has joined
  95. daniel has joined
  96. ralphm has left
  97. dwd has left
  98. foss81405971 has joined
  99. Nÿco has left
  100. SouL has joined
  101. foss81405971 has joined
  102. dwd has left
  103. intosi has left
  104. intosi has joined
  105. ralphm has left
  106. dwd has left
  107. daniel has left
  108. intosi has left
  109. intosi has joined
  110. intosi has left
  111. intosi has joined
  112. Nÿco has joined
  113. Nÿco has left
  114. dwd has left
  115. souliane has joined
  116. dwd has left
  117. intosi has joined
  118. intosi has left
  119. Nÿco has joined
  120. arty has left
  121. arune has left
  122. arune has joined
  123. dwd has left
  124. dwd has left
  125. arty has joined
  126. dwd has left
  127. edhelas has joined
  128. dwd has left
  129. foss81405971 has joined
  130. arty has left
  131. arty has joined
  132. Flow has joined
  133. foss81405971 has joined
  134. foss81405971 has joined
  135. dwd has left
  136. Alex has joined
  137. Martin has joined
  138. Lance has left
  139. daniel has joined
  140. dwd has left
  141. foss81405971 has joined
  142. edhelas has left
  143. goffi has joined
  144. goffi hi
  145. Ge0rG hi goffi
  146. dwd Does anyone know how much XEP-0090, XEP-0091, and for that matter XEP-0078 is actually used in the field?
  147. mathieui I don’t think I’ve ever seen 0078 used
  148. Kevish I would assume that 90 and 91 must have mostly gone away by now. But I could be wrong.
  149. Kevish 78, no clue.
  150. dwd Reason I'm asking is because I've a PR to remove the first two, and a suggestion to remove '78.
  151. Kevish I'd be inclined to accept the PR. I'm much less sure about 78.
  152. mathieui last time I have needed to care about 90/91 was like 4 years ago, but I have no clue about real-world usage
  153. goffi think a caniuse like site for XMPP would be nice
  154. ralphm has left
  155. SouL has left
  156. Valerian has joined
  157. Valerian has left
  158. Flow dwd: I've removed support for xep78 in Smack a few months ago. As of xep90: Smack understands it, i.e. there is a compatibility layer, but does not "speak" it. xep91 is fully supported.
  159. Flow dwd: I'm all for removing obsolete stuff
  160. Flow You don't want to carry this around for long in open source projects with limited man power.
  161. Flow Especially for xep78: Removing it made the Smack code so much more readable.
  162. ralphm has left
  163. dwd has left
  164. Ge0rG I was recently asked to recommend end-to-end secure chat clients... is there something besides of conversations? Does Swift support OTR?
  165. Tobias it does not
  166. sezuan has left
  167. goffi We do support OTR
  168. goffi and planning to add OMEMO at some point
  169. winfried has joined
  170. Ge0rG goffi: who is "we"?
  171. goffi Ge0rG: http://salut-a-toi.org
  172. goffi but kind of use is it for ? Desktop ? Mobile ? Web ?
  173. Ge0rG yet another android client... :>
  174. Ge0rG goffi: I was asked by somebody preparing info material for normal people.
  175. goffi planed but not started yet
  176. Ge0rG I had to say there is no decent XMPP client for iOS....
  177. goffi ok, it's still a bit a early for general audience
  178. goffi we need to stabilise before
  179. goffi but we are soon. And we can do iOS too, we are more blocked by Apple policy than by technical reasons
  180. goffi s/but we are soon/but we are close/
  181. dwd has left
  182. dwd has left
  183. dwd has left
  184. tim@boese-ban.de has left
  185. tim@boese-ban.de has joined
  186. arune goffi: the link to the campaign does not work?
  187. goffi hum, it should, I check that
  188. arune I end up here: https://www.arizuka.com/en-gb/projects/libervia/
  189. arune "Désolé, cette page n'existe pas !"
  190. goffi it's working here
  191. goffi en-gb ???
  192. goffi should be /en/
  193. goffi where did you get that link ?
  194. intosi I received the same one from salut-a-toi.org
  195. goffi ouch, I'll check that, thanks for the report
  196. intosi It's using the preferred browser language in the URL.
  197. dwd en-cy-like
  198. Alex has left
  199. McKael has left
  200. arty has left
  201. Alex has left
  202. arty has joined
  203. Alex has joined
  204. dwd has left
  205. dwd has left
  206. xnyhps has left
  207. xnyhps has left
  208. xnyhps has left
  209. xnyhps has joined
  210. goffi intosi: arune: campain link should be fixed now
  211. Alex has left
  212. waqas has joined
  213. intosi Looks like it works.
  214. Alex has joined
  215. xnyhps has joined
  216. xnyhps has joined
  217. goffi cool
  218. Ge0rG winfried: FYI: I've got an okay from my boss to dedicate some time to the capptain thing...
  219. Jef has joined
  220. Jef has left
  221. Jef has joined
  222. dwd has left
  223. Flow Ge0rG: capptain thing?
  224. Ge0rG Flow: https://xmpp.net/result.php?id=36460 - I noticed a connection to that server from one of the android apps I have installed
  225. Flow Ahh, so you want to investigate on their security?
  226. xnyhps has joined
  227. Ge0rG Flow: actually I want to see what kind of data they are sniffing out of me
  228. Ge0rG Flow: the goal is to make a security analysis report
  229. Flow Ge0rG: What's you approach? Hooking into Android via e.g. Xposed?
  230. Ge0rG Flow: Nah, too sophisticated. I'll do a MitM and eat my hat if they check certificates.
  231. Flow Pics or it didn't happen
  232. Flow And Xposed ain't that sophisticated :)
  233. Flow In the news "Security researcher eats own hat after discovering an app which verifies certificates"
  234. Ge0rG haha
  235. xnyhps has left
  236. xnyhps has joined
  237. xnyhps has left
  238. m&m has joined
  239. xnyhps has joined
  240. Laura has joined
  241. McKael has joined
  242. arune has left
  243. Zash Ge0rG: You have hats?
  244. Ge0rG Zash: I've got one.
  245. Ge0rG and it's black! MUHAHAHAHAA!
  246. dwd has left
  247. sezuan has left
  248. waqas has left
  249. waqas has joined
  250. stpeter has joined
  251. souliane has left
  252. waqas has left
  253. Kevish has left
  254. waqas has joined
  255. waqas has left
  256. foss81405971 has joined
  257. souliane has joined
  258. Laura Hey folks, online ready for the first Board meeting with the new Board
  259. stpeter hi Laura!
  260. stpeter I'm not sure that we told the new board that we're meeting
  261. stpeter and I need to add Arc Riley to the board@xmpp.org list
  262. stpeter so let me do that
  263. stpeter (and remove Adam)
  264. Laura Also add Bear, and remove Simon
  265. arty has left
  266. Laura And that is a very good point.
  267. Laura We may have to postpone our first meeting, unless the power of my mind summons everyone needed to this space…
  268. Laura I wonder if we have any Board folk here
  269. intosi Lots of bystanders ;)
  270. Laura Watching me make a total mess of our first meeting…
  271. ralphm I am here
  272. ralphm Watching, too, of course
  273. Laura Thanks Ralphm!
  274. stpeter nod
  275. ralphm seriously, though, I didn't really expect the meeting to happen
  276. ralphm I was about to ask if the board list had been updated
  277. Laura Then lets leave it for today - stpeter when the list is updated can you confirm, and I will email a meeting request?
  278. Laura I am useless… can't believe people didn't just guess the right time/date...
  279. dwd Laura, Emerging from under a warm dog - it'd be worthwhile putting out a call for minute-taking volunteers, too.
  280. Laura Yup yup, will do. Will draft an email when the Board list is ready, and get ready Trello etc updated and ready for handover to new Board / Chair
  281. waqas has joined
  282. ralphm has left
  283. stpeter sorry about that, I was on a bizdev call
  284. ralphm Laura: what do you mean handover
  285. stpeter I've updated the roster for the board@ list - removed Adam, Will, Simon, and Kev (as Council chair) and added Arc, Bear, and Dave
  286. intosi stpeter: make sure to add Dave twice.
  287. ralphm stpeter: thanks!
  288. stpeter intosi: from work and home addresses?
  289. stpeter intosi: or also to Council?
  290. ralphm intosi: has the Council made Dave chair then? Missed that.
  291. intosi Not as far as I'm aware.
  292. Laura I think the point was to add Dave to both, as he is on both. We will need to add Council Chair when one has been elected
  293. stpeter right exactly
  294. stpeter first Council meeting is next Wednesday, December 1st
  295. Laura Thanks stpeter - I will get the email sent out
  296. stpeter you're the best!
  297. sezuan has left
  298. Kevish has joined
  299. Kevish "You have been unsubscribed from the Board mailing list" Sadface.
  300. dwd ralphm, Gosh, I hope not.
  301. Kevish (I think I'm technically still the Council Chair until a new one is elected, but it probably doesn't matter much)
  302. ralphm Kevish: there there
  303. dwd Kevish, I don't know actually. I know that's true for Board, where the Chair needn't be an elected Board member. Not so sure it works the same way for Council.
  304. Kevish I'll resist the temptation to check :)
  305. ralphm I read the bylaws, and it only says: “The individuals elected to the XMPP Council shall, by an affirmative majority vote of those present and voting, appoint the chair of such Council.”
  306. ralphm And that all participants must be members.
  307. ralphm So I am willing to go with Kevish' version
  308. Kevish On the topic of scribing, I'm not sure it makes a huge difference (other than to the individual's workload) whether the chair scribes, or it gets farmed out (for either Board or Council).
  309. Kevish It's easier to scribe by going through the logs in your own time than trying to keep up during a meeting anyway, and at that point it makes little difference.
  310. Kevish A significant advantage of using MUCs for this stuff, rather than unlogged comms.
  311. sezuan has left
  312. Lance has joined
  313. ralphm Kevish: definitely
  314. ralphm Kevish: I just had a great new use case that should be nice to handle in MUC2: incident alerting rendered in a side bar
  315. ralphm Kevish: so it does not disturb the conversation, but is still highly visible
  316. Kevish It's just another node :)
  317. Kevish So I think it slips nicelyand naturally into the model.
  318. Kevish stpeter: On that, I *think* I'm waiting for your thoughts on me updating your update to my update to MUC2.
  319. Kevish We could just submit as-is, but some of the changes seem to be significant enough that we wouldn't want to encourage implementation testing of the current doc when we know the changes that're on the way.
  320. stpeter Kevish: yes I remembered that over the weekend.
  321. waqas has left
  322. waqas has joined
  323. Alex has left
  324. Flow has left
  325. Alex has left
  326. Alex has left
  327. Laura has left
  328. Laura has joined
  329. Laura has left
  330. Flow has joined
  331. Flow has left
  332. Martin has left
  333. intosi has joined
  334. dwd has left
  335. dwd has left
  336. goffi has left
  337. ralphm has left
  338. arty has joined
  339. arty has left
  340. ralphm has left
  341. waqas has left
  342. waqas has joined
  343. ralphm has left
  344. dwd has left
  345. arty has joined
  346. dwd has left
  347. Alex has left
  348. Zash has joined
  349. SouL has joined
  350. ralphm has left
  351. waqas has left
  352. waqas has joined
  353. ralphm has left
  354. Zash has joined
  355. arune has left
  356. ralphm has left
  357. ralphm has left
  358. Alex has joined
  359. sezuan has left
  360. sezuan has left
  361. sezuan has left
  362. Laura has joined
  363. dwd has left
  364. Laura has left
  365. Zash has joined
  366. andy has joined
  367. Laura has joined
  368. sezuan has left
  369. Laura has left
  370. Laura has joined
  371. foss81405971 has joined
  372. Jef has left
  373. sezuan has left
  374. Laura has left
  375. Jef has joined
  376. arty has left
  377. arty has joined
  378. waqas has left
  379. waqas has joined
  380. SamWhited has left
  381. Alex has left
  382. intosi has left
  383. intosi has joined
  384. boothj5 has joined
  385. boothj5 has left
  386. Zash has left
  387. arty has left
  388. Jef has left
  389. tim@boese-ban.de has left
  390. ralphm has left
  391. SamWhited has left
  392. ralphm has left
  393. tim@boese-ban.de has left
  394. tim@boese-ban.de has joined
  395. waqas has left
  396. waqas has joined
  397. dwd has left
  398. dwd has left
  399. dwd has left
  400. winfried has left
  401. Nÿco has left
  402. Jef has joined
  403. dwd has left
  404. Zash has joined
  405. dwd has left
  406. m&m has left