XSF Discussion - 2015-11-23

hi

hi goffi

Does anyone know how much XEP-0090, XEP-0091, and for that matter XEP-0078 is actually used in the field?

I don’t think I’ve ever seen 0078 used

I would assume that 90 and 91 must have mostly gone away by now. But I could be wrong.

78, no clue.

Reason I'm asking is because I've a PR to remove the first two, and a suggestion to remove '78.

I'd be inclined to accept the PR. I'm much less sure about 78.

last time I have needed to care about 90/91 was like 4 years ago, but I have no clue about real-world usage

dwd: I've removed support for xep78 in Smack a few months ago. As of xep90: Smack understands it, i.e. there is a compatibility layer, but does not "speak" it. xep91 is fully supported.

dwd: I'm all for removing obsolete stuff

You don't want to carry this around for long in open source projects with limited man power.

Especially for xep78: Removing it made the Smack code so much more readable.

I was recently asked to recommend end-to-end secure chat clients... is there something besides of conversations? Does Swift support OTR?

it does not

We do support OTR

and planning to add OMEMO at some point

goffi: who is "we"?

Ge0rG: http://salut-a-toi.org

but kind of use is it for ? Desktop ? Mobile ? Web ?

yet another android client... :>

goffi: I was asked by somebody preparing info material for normal people.

planed but not started yet

I had to say there is no decent XMPP client for iOS....

ok, it's still a bit a early for general audience

we need to stabilise before

but we are soon. And we can do iOS too, we are more blocked by Apple policy than by technical reasons

s/but we are soon/but we are close/

goffi: the link to the campaign does not work?

hum, it should, I check that

I end up here: https://www.arizuka.com/en-gb/projects/libervia/

"Désolé, cette page n'existe pas !"

it's working here

en-gb ???

should be /en/

where did you get that link ?

I received the same one from salut-a-toi.org

ouch, I'll check that, thanks for the report

It's using the preferred browser language in the URL.

en-cy-like

intosi: arune: campain link should be fixed now

Looks like it works.

cool

winfried: FYI: I've got an okay from my boss to dedicate some time to the capptain thing...

Ge0rG: capptain thing?

Flow: https://xmpp.net/result.php?id=36460 - I noticed a connection to that server from one of the android apps I have installed

Ahh, so you want to investigate on their security?

Flow: actually I want to see what kind of data they are sniffing out of me

Flow: the goal is to make a security analysis report

Ge0rG: What's you approach? Hooking into Android via e.g. Xposed?

Flow: Nah, too sophisticated. I'll do a MitM and eat my hat if they check certificates.

Pics or it didn't happen

And Xposed ain't that sophisticated :)

In the news "Security researcher eats own hat after discovering an app which verifies certificates"

haha

Ge0rG: You have hats?

Zash: I've got one.

and it's black! MUHAHAHAHAA!

Hey folks, online ready for the first Board meeting with the new Board

hi Laura!

I'm not sure that we told the new board that we're meeting

and I need to add Arc Riley to the board@xmpp.org list

so let me do that

(and remove Adam)

Also add Bear, and remove Simon

And that is a very good point.

We may have to postpone our first meeting, unless the power of my mind summons everyone needed to this space…

I wonder if we have any Board folk here

Lots of bystanders ;)

Watching me make a total mess of our first meeting…

I am here

Watching, too, of course

Thanks Ralphm!

nod

seriously, though, I didn't really expect the meeting to happen

I was about to ask if the board list had been updated

Then lets leave it for today - stpeter when the list is updated can you confirm, and I will email a meeting request?

I am useless… can't believe people didn't just guess the right time/date...

Laura, Emerging from under a warm dog - it'd be worthwhile putting out a call for minute-taking volunteers, too.

Yup yup, will do. Will draft an email when the Board list is ready, and get ready Trello etc updated and ready for handover to new Board / Chair

sorry about that, I was on a bizdev call

Laura: what do you mean handover

I've updated the roster for the board@ list - removed Adam, Will, Simon, and Kev (as Council chair) and added Arc, Bear, and Dave

stpeter: make sure to add Dave twice.

stpeter: thanks!

intosi: from work and home addresses?

intosi: or also to Council?

intosi: has the Council made Dave chair then? Missed that.

Not as far as I'm aware.

I think the point was to add Dave to both, as he is on both. We will need to add Council Chair when one has been elected

right exactly

first Council meeting is next Wednesday, December 1st

Thanks stpeter - I will get the email sent out

you're the best!

"You have been unsubscribed from the Board mailing list" Sadface.

ralphm, Gosh, I hope not.

(I think I'm technically still the Council Chair until a new one is elected, but it probably doesn't matter much)

Kevish: there there

Kevish, I don't know actually. I know that's true for Board, where the Chair needn't be an elected Board member. Not so sure it works the same way for Council.

I'll resist the temptation to check :)

I read the bylaws, and it only says: “The individuals elected to the XMPP Council shall, by an affirmative majority vote of those present and voting, appoint the chair of such Council.”

And that all participants must be members.

So I am willing to go with Kevish' version

On the topic of scribing, I'm not sure it makes a huge difference (other than to the individual's workload) whether the chair scribes, or it gets farmed out (for either Board or Council).

It's easier to scribe by going through the logs in your own time than trying to keep up during a meeting anyway, and at that point it makes little difference.

A significant advantage of using MUCs for this stuff, rather than unlogged comms.

Kevish: definitely

Kevish: I just had a great new use case that should be nice to handle in MUC2: incident alerting rendered in a side bar

Kevish: so it does not disturb the conversation, but is still highly visible

It's just another node :)

So I think it slips nicelyand naturally into the model.

stpeter: On that, I *think* I'm waiting for your thoughts on me updating your update to my update to MUC2.

We could just submit as-is, but some of the changes seem to be significant enough that we wouldn't want to encourage implementation testing of the current doc when we know the changes that're on the way.

Kevish: yes I remembered that over the weekend.