XSF logo XSF Discussion - 2016-01-19


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  94. Kev Right, voted!
  95. Alex (Y)
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  98. Ge0rG it's awesome to see how diverse our crowd is
  99. goffi hi, I have submitted a protoxep last week-end, can I have a confirmation that it was well received by somebody subscribed on editor@ please ? Thanks :)
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  105. thorsten goffi: which protoxep?
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  110. goffi thorsten: jid mention
  111. thorsten Cool
  112. goffi thorsten: there is a rendered version there: http://www.goffi.org/public/xmpp/xep/xep-proto-jid-mention.html
  113. thorsten goffi: let me check
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  115. thorsten And it has been acknowledged by xmpp.org?
  116. SouL Interesting
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  118. goffi thorsten: I have sent id last week-end, but no response and didn't see it proposed on standard@, that's why I'm asking here
  119. goffi it*
  120. ThUnD3r|Gr33n that's a shame! it sounds fine so far for me :)
  121. goffi editor@ are probably busy, it's not a big deal if it takes a couple of days, I just want to be sure is was received...
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  139. Kev Did you send in the appropriate way? Email to editor@ with 'XEP' in the subject?
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  143. SamWhited goffi: it was received.
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  145. goffi Kev: yes
  146. goffi SamWhited: oki perfect, thanks
  147. edhelas hello everyone, I'm having a look at https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0369.html it's quite interesting but I'm wondering how all theses subscriptions will be listed for the clients
  148. edhelas to display the "subscribed rooms"
  149. Kev edhelas: You'd combine it with the pubsub-account stuff that dwd's working on.
  150. edhelas Kev, you have a link for it ?
  151. Kev Dave wrote a mail to standards@ with an outline, but there's no XEP yet.
  152. edhelas will search the email
  153. Kev The 'how do you tell what you're subscribed to' is a generic pubsub problem without the pubsub-account stuff, but MIX combined with pubsub-account is going to be rather nice.
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  163. Flow What should one use for an namespace not related to an XEP? xmlns='http://projectname.org'? xmlns='projectname.org'?
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  165. MattJ You can do, yes
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  167. MattJ You might want to use "http://projectname.org/something"
  168. MattJ so you can have different values for different protocols
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  170. Flow MattJ: I do wonder how important the scheme is
  171. Flow especially in times of https everywhere
  172. Zash Flow: It's an opaque string
  173. Flow Zash: i wonder how opaque it is, there is http://www.iana.org/assignments/xml-registry/xml-registry.xhtml
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  175. Flow but I can't find any rules or an registration for "urn:xmpp" which is used by todays XEPs
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  177. Flow nor any saying that all strings with the "urn:xmpp:" belong to the XSF
  178. Zash That seems to be the IETFs namespaces
  179. Flow so I assume it's just convention and a requirement
  180. Flow *and not a requirement
  181. Zash Aha
  182. Zash -rfc 4854
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  184. Zash -rfc 4854
  185. Bunneh Zash: A Uniform Resource Name (URN) Namespace for Extensions to the Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP). P. Saint-Andre. April 2007. (Status: INFORMATIONAL) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC4854) https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4854
  186. Zash http://www.iana.org/assignments/urn-namespaces/urn-namespaces.xhtml#urn-namespaces-1
  187. Flow aaahhh
  188. Flow Zash: ta :)
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  227. Zash What's the implementation status of the latest MAM?
  228. Zash in clients
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  231. Flow Zash: Why do you ask?
  232. Zash I've had a patch for a version bump laying around since forever and wonder when would be a good time to update
  233. Flow I personally wait for https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/82 to get merged until I continue Smack's MAM impl
  234. intosi Server-side?
  235. Zash Yes
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  237. intosi It was fairly easy to support both, I found.
  238. Zash Our Carbons and 198 impl already do that
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  240. Zash Still don't really like ti
  241. Zash Still don't really like it
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  245. Tobias are there any news regarding the planned group booking for the summit hotel?
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  255. Kev Tobias: I believe everyone's just been booking it themselves.
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  257. Tobias ok...would be nice if it would have been communicated
  258. Kev Yeah.
  259. Tobias but still the same hotel, right?
  260. Kev Yes.
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  262. Tobias seems to be sold out for wendsday to sunday..then i'll look for something else
  263. Kev :/
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  268. mathieui re: https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/content-types.html I don’t like it much, but if this is required for something, it would be nice to have a disco that actually tells which content-types are supported
  269. mathieui instead of sending useless data that will be discarded by the other party
  270. Zash +1
  271. Zash Eg <feature var="urn:xmpp:content#text/plain"/> etc?
  272. Zash intosi: The change to update is small but the change needed to do both would be large and ugly :(
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  274. mathieui Zash, yeah
  275. MattJ I really don't like it
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  279. Zash 'it' suddenly became ambiguos
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  283. goffi I don't like it neither, it will bring more fragmentation
  284. goffi we use markdown and we convert to XHTML, but what should I do if somebody use markdown as text? Use XHTML version or text?
  285. goffi and probably other formats will come, other flavour of markdown
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  287. MattJ Indeed
  288. Zash MattJ: What about the JSON container XEP?
  289. MattJ Machine-to-machine, not IM
  290. MattJ Humans are good at interpreting the same data, in different formats, in the same way
  291. MattJ i.e. XHTML-IM vs Markdown vs plain text with no markdown, are all going to be slightly different but still readable
  292. MattJ The user's client does not need to know the difference
  293. Zash I kinda thougt they wanted XHTML-IM without XHTML-IM, by having the receiving client render it from Markdown
  294. MattJ I think so
  295. MattJ Which implies having multiple formats for conveying formatted text on the wire
  296. MattJ > 17:38:33 MattJ> I really don't like it
  297. Zash Same could be said about XHTML-IM :)
  298. Zash Or well, sorta
  299. MattJ We have plain, and we have formatted
  300. Zash Weirdness happens if they have different actual content
  301. MattJ Markdown can be both, but it's not a third category
  302. xnyhps > Every XMPP Extension Protocol specification must contain a section entitled "Security Considerations"
  303. moparisthebest add to that no 2 clients would use the same parser and would end up with wildly different displayed representations
  304. Zash There can be only Pandoc!
  305. MattJ (Zash is currently in love with pandoc)
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  307. moparisthebest that'd be my preference but someone would complain that it's not a standard and has a license they don't like :)
  308. moparisthebest personally I don't want instant messages long enough to require formatting, but I understand there are different use cases
  309. Zash msnmessenger.jpg
  310. MattJ Booked for Brussels (Aloft)
  311. MattJ Note I won't be arriving until late on Thursday, so will miss summit day 1
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  319. Flow mathieui: I do believe that would be against the idea of conent hints: <body> content is always human readable, the hint is just to indicate a particular encoding
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  321. Flow so I would simply remove § 2.2 and § 2.3 from the content-types xep
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  326. SamWhited Memberbot really needs an "Aprove all" button
  327. Zash yes yes | xmppsend memberbot
  328. SamWhited "yes " * 17
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  330. MattJ Memberbot really does not need an "approve all" button :)
  331. SamWhited *shrug* If people care enough to take the time to apply for membership that's pretty much all I'm looking for
  332. MattJ You are entitled to your own acceptance criteria, but I'm not comfortable with accepting without reading the application they submitted
  333. SamWhited That's fair
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  342. Kev Particularly that there was one ineligible application this year ;)
  343. Kev So, if the Aloft doesn't have any rooms left for XSF people, should we be thinking of being elsewhere?
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  345. SamWhited What makes someone ineligible?
  346. SamWhited I don't even understand the point of membership except to prevent someone from skewing a vote by having all their friends vote
  347. Kev SamWhited: Dave didn't include email address/JID. Presumably deliberately because the XEP didn't get advanced, or such.
  348. Kev According to the wiki, almost no-one has booked the Aloft, which suggests, given there were no rooms when Tobi just tried to book, that the majority of people won't be able to be there.
  349. Zash Or, the majority of people haven't updated that page
  350. Kev Or that.
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  352. Tobias Kev, if the wiki page represents the reality, that is :)
  353. intosi Wed - Thu isn't available, but Thu - Sun is.
  354. Tobias intosi, yup..thu - sun is...but who knows how many :) but at the current time it'll probably be the same everywhere
  355. intosi Brussels in that weekend can be a bit of a challenge this late.
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