Thursday, February 23, 2017
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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[07:27:27] <SamWhited> I think the website is down; I don't appear to be able to ssh in either and downforeveryoneorjustme.com agrees.
[07:28:05] <SamWhited> huh, and there it goes responding well… short outage.
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[07:37:12] <Zash> Dey took ur nines
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[08:25:23] <jonasw> Tobias: http://docs.getpelican.com/en/stable/faq.html#how-do-i-assign-custom-templates-on-a-per-page-basis
A custom template for the XEP / client page is probably sane. Load the data in the pelican config and access it from within the template. Jinja templates should offer enough computatational capability for that.
[08:25:41] <jonasw> (they’re probably turing complete via recursion)
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[08:51:41] <jonasw> https://xmpp.org/extensions/diff/api/xep/0369/diff/0.8/vs/0.8.1
[08:51:46] <jonasw> that throws a 500
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[08:52:31] <Zash> Not the most reliable differ unfortunately
[08:52:45] <Zash> WFM now, but it was real slow
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[08:55:31] <Ge0rG> jonasw: yeah, it's rendered on first access. you need to call it, wait some minutes and refreshe then
[08:56:16] <Ge0rG> I'm sure Zash could provide his awesome retro fixed-font markdiff version.
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[09:00:25] <Zash> Ge0rG: The thing where I don't get along with git so well makes that a pain
[09:00:39] <Zash> but here's the latest 313 version: https://www.zash.se/xep-0313-0.6-vs-0.6.1.html
[09:01:33] <Ge0rG> Zash: I can provide you with the required shell magic
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[09:02:54] <intosi> Our differ fails on the first load of a diff, but succeeds the second load. I think it's a timing issue.
[09:03:36] <intosi> Ge0rG: a few minutes is excessive. The next reload always succeeds for me.
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[09:06:49] <Ge0rG> intosi: maybe my internets is just slow :)
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[09:17:15] <Zash> Ge0rG: Random SO answers point to horrible things that no longer exist, and things that apparently require tons of extra configuration.
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[09:17:44] <Ge0rG> Zash: what exact input do you wish to get?
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[09:18:03] <Zash> Ge0rG: Two filenames.
[09:18:15] <Zash> One being the old version, one being the new version
[09:18:18] <Ge0rG> Zash: easy. "echo filename1 filename2"
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[09:19:08] <Zash> `hg extdiff -p echo`
[09:19:13] <Zash> <3
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[09:45:21] <jonasw> intosi, I reloaded one or two times, but what Ge0rG says makes sense ...
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[09:47:23] <jonasw> Zash: what’s wrong with
git checkout identifier_of_version1:path/to/file > file.version1
git checkout identifier_of_version2:path/to/file > file.version2
?
identifier_of_versionX can be a commit id, a tag, a branch or whatever
[09:47:53] <Zash> That's pretty much what I've been doing
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[10:59:17] <Tobias> jonasw, yeah..using a custom template for client/library/server pages could work, although it feels a bit ugly :)
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[10:59:37] <jonasw> it’s less ugly than sed.
[10:59:47] <jonasw> by orders of magnitude ;-)
[10:59:49] <Tobias> true
[11:00:41] <Tobias> jonasw, happen to know with what format pelican/jinja2 can read and turn into tables most easily?
[11:01:08] <jonasw> you can use anything python can read
[11:01:13] <jonasw> but JSON is probably the most easiest
[11:01:25] <jonasw> load it in the pelican config, you should be able to access it as a global in the template then
[11:01:46] <Tobias> k..will give that a shot sometime the next days
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[11:03:00] <jonasw> in pelicanconf.py you could for example do:
import json
with open("clientdb.json", "r") as f:
CLIENT_DB = json.load(f)
and in the template you could:
{% for client in CLIENT_DB %}
{% if client.show_on_page %}
… some table row markup …
{% endif %}
{% endfor %}
with clientdb.json:
[{"name": "fancy client", "show_on_page": true}, {"name": "legacy client", "show_on_page": false}]
or anything like that :)
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[11:10:03] <Tobias> great...then we could simply add a property in the json for each item for "last_updated" to have a date and on rendering just omit the ones that are older than a year or so
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[11:10:56] <jonasw> yes :)
[11:11:28] <jonasw> (of course, you could also abuse the blog feature and create articles for each client and use the metadata and so on, but that’s probably worse.)
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[13:29:44] <Tobias> https://shattered.io/ :)
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[13:30:27] <jonasw> oh dear
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[13:31:48] <MattJ> How widespread is this?

As far as we know our example collision is the first ever created.
[13:31:53] <MattJ> That must have been a great feeling
[13:31:56] <jonasw> > This attack required over 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 SHA1 computations. This took the equivalent processing power as 6,500 years of single-CPU computations and 110 years of single-GPU computations.
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[16:11:20] <mimi89999> It's good that SHA1 got depreciated for certificates and TLS.
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[16:15:41] <intosi> Indeed. Because what you really can do is spend a few weeks brute-forcing the hash for a single bit of data, with the same prefix :)
[16:16:21] <intosi> It means SHA-1 should go, sure, but it doesn't mean SHA-1 is now suddenly worthless ;)
[16:16:32] <Zash> Website too shiny, what have they actually done?
[16:17:31] <intosi> Created a PDF that has the same SHA-1 checksum as another PDF.
[16:18:33] <intosi> And yes, that site is too shiny.
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[16:18:56] <Zash> And that's what, marginally harder than finding two random blobs of data with the same sha1, if they have to be valid PDF files too?
[16:19:47] <SamWhited> that's not the important part; that's just a demo. The important part is that they can generate two blobs of data that have the same sha1 with much greater efficiency than brute force.
[16:19:58] <SamWhited> just a demo of an actual bad thing you could do with it, I mean.
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[16:20:11] <intosi> ^ what SamWhited said.
[16:20:39] <intosi> The fact that they created another perfectly fine PDF with altered content is the gravy.
[16:21:00] <Zash> I've gotten the impression that it's much harder if the data needs to fit some strict format, like say signed blob of ASN.1 DER
[16:21:09] <SamWhited> Indeed; makes it practical and not just some abstract thing that everyone using SHA-1 can just ignore.
[16:21:33] <SamWhited> Yah, it's probably harder, which is why the announcement is even more impactful.
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[16:23:33] <Zash> What dwd wrote to the list.
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[16:24:10] <SamWhited> Yah, probably doesn't matter for us immediately (eg. in the case of SCRAM-SHA-1 where it's just used as the hash for the HMAC, so we probably don't care), but it's still a pretty big deal.
[16:24:31] <SamWhited> Actually, that's the only place where we use SHA-1 that I can think of… there are probably more.
[16:24:37] <Zash> SCRAM-MD5 would probably be just as safe
[16:24:59] <jonasw> SamWhited: entity caps?
[16:25:12] <jonasw> but that’s broken anyways iirc
[16:25:22] <SamWhited> ah yah, forgot about that. It's broken?
[16:25:48] <Zash> It's unclear about the escaping of special XML characters.
[16:26:02] <SamWhited> oh fun
[16:26:12] <Zash> So it is possible to produce a collision based on moving the attributes around.
[16:26:22] <Zash> Pretty sure waqas has talked about this loooooooooooooong ago
[16:27:18] <Zash> Might even be what that link on the list was, since I didn't follow it
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