XSF Discussion - 2017-02-24


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  140. Ge0rG I just realized that the old and the new Carbons rules fail to address 0184 and 0333.
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  199. Guus wiki-maintainers, could we have basic wiki markup functionality and templates?
  200. Guus simple references do not appear to work, even the ones that do not use templats.
  201. Guus It appears to be a matter of installing extensions: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite#Installation
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  294. MattJ Maybe we should bundle the roster into bind2
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  299. waqas MattJ: Clearly a better idea would be a transaction construct ^^
  300. waqas <transaction> … stanzas … </transaction> :)
  301. Zash <iq type=set><transaction>...</transaction></iq>
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  315. Ge0rG What would be the implications of allowing carbonation of body-less "normal" messages? Wasn't this recently discussed in the context of MAM?
  316. Tobias hmmm..carbonated messages
  317. Tobias sprinkling presences
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  322. Ge0rG Tobias: 0% sugar, 100% copy.
  323. Zash Ge0rG: What kind of messages are you thinking of?
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  325. Ge0rG Zash: specifically 0184, 0333. But it will probably affect many more.
  326. Tobias CSN?
  327. Zash Don't those two use type=chat?
  328. Zash Ge0rG: In the context of MAM, aren't the result messages type=normal with no <body>?
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  332. Ge0rG 'The default value of the 'type' attribute is "normal".' and I see no type= in 0184 nor 0333
  333. Zash -xep 184
  334. Bunneh Zash: XEP-0184: Message Delivery Receipts is (Draft, 2011-03-01) See: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0184.html
  335. Ge0rG there is a value in cc'ing 0184 acks.
  336. Ge0rG like in cc'ing errors.
  337. Zash CC all the things
  338. Ge0rG if I sent a "hey, I'm on my way" from $desktop, I can see on $mobile whether it was delivered/bounced
  339. Ge0rG Zash: that's exactly why I'm asking.
  340. Zash Ge0rG: Doesn't look like 184 says anything about the type.
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  343. Zash I'd find it sane to use the same type as the message being ack'd
  344. Ge0rG Zash: but you are no client developer.
  345. Ge0rG and I can't imagine client developers out there listening to The Word of Zash and therefore doing The Right Thing. At least I didn't.
  346. Zash Ge0rG: I am not. I think that's something mentioned in another XEP, which I think should be applied in more contexts.
  347. Ge0rG Zash: and then we'll end up with error-acks :>
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  361. Ge0rG what other XEPs are using type=normal and have no body?
  362. mathieui W 13
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  365. Tobias Zash, did you implement xep-0233 in prosody?
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  367. Zash "implement"
  368. Tobias you reported people being happy :P
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  370. Zash I made https://modules.prosody.im/mod_saslname.html
  371. Zash Whoever I made it for was happy.
  372. Zash Don't remember much else.
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  431. Ge0rG so, which other protocols do use message type=normal without a body?
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  433. MattJ KIND: message TYPE: normal NOT INSPECT: body LOG=This one: $(stanza:top_tag())
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  444. Zash xeps-hg$ hg extdiff -r 'last(file("xep-0313.xml"))' -p $PWD/xepdiff | q https://q.zash.se/8629a78c4a3c.txt
  445. Zash Best part is that it produces a MIX diff
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  448. Zash Earlier version was using wdiff, which doesn't like directories, so it picks one file to diff.
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  455. Zash ah nm
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  472. Ge0rG MattJ: can I apply that rule to the XEPs repository?
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  477. Zash grep the examples
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  482. Ge0rG Zash: for "<message"?
  483. Zash what
  484. Zash the
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  489. Zash https://q.zash.se/3f91f5ba68e7.txt
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  491. Ge0rG Not quite the answer I hoped for, but thanks
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  499. Zash https://q.zash.se/d07ea0aae5bc.txt
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  501. Zash Why isn't 'chat' the default anyways?
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  504. Flow Zash: because it's not normal
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  508. Zash Messages of type chat are not normal. But in XMPP they are.
  509. Zash XMPP. Not even once.
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