Saturday, February 25, 2017
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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[13:25:43] <Zash> How would you feel about publishing epubs, as a complement to pdfs?
[13:25:51] <Zash> Editors & others ^
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[13:30:05] <Tobias> if someone steps up and does the required work, why no
[13:30:08] <Tobias> *not
[13:30:16] <Ge0rG> I like epub
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[13:32:41] <Zash> I got an e-ink device to read RFCs, XEPs and such on. It's ~A6 in size. The margins in the pdfs are ... not optimized for this.
[13:33:42] <Tobias> Zash, they indeed are not...i had some success reading XEPs as HTML in the kindle browser
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[13:34:30] <waqas> Zash: Does it have a web browser? How well does that work?
[13:34:50] <Zash> waqas: I'm not going to connect it to the Internet ever.
[13:35:08] <waqas> How do you know it isn't transmitting right now?
[13:35:17] <Zash> Damn thing asked me to sign into Google / Facebook
[13:35:37] <waqas> So it did connect to the internet at least once? They know you now
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[13:36:50] <Zash> Hard reset, wrap in tin foil, change wifi password.
[13:37:26] <Zash> Dumping XEP HTML files onto it worked pretty well actually.
[13:37:57] <Zash> Made some epubs with pandoc via the xep→markdown converter I made, worked well too.
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[13:38:32] <waqas> Zash: Good. I don't know why ePubs would be any better than normal HTML files (since they are just packaged HTML files anyway)
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[13:38:42] <Zash> XHTML in a zip file :)
[13:39:00] <Zash> Surely this could be generated directly
[13:39:21] <waqas> Zash: I bet the device uses an HTML parser for it ^^
[13:39:38] <Tobias> Zash, yeah..there's now a drone observing you from the air ;)
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[13:46:44] <Zash> Let me tell you about this marvelous invention called "blinds".
[13:47:16] <Zash> And also about how great humans are at throwing small objects.
[13:47:45] <Zash> waqas: Maybe, maybe not. Since it's XHTML, it could use a special parser.
[13:48:03] <Zash> OTOH, it didn't choke on unbalanced tags ....
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[13:48:59] <MattJ> Heh
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[13:49:47] <Zash> Thanks to the great property of Markdown where it just passes raw HTML right through, I ended up with unescaped text like <body> or <message>, which it just happily rendered as increased margins
[13:50:07] <waqas> Zash: Practically all modern ebook things use a webkit variant these days
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[13:50:17] <jonasw> not chromium?
[13:50:26] <jonasw> well, okay, chromium in itself is also just a webkit variant
[13:50:27] <waqas> jonasw: Too new
[13:50:38] <waqas> But yes, I put it in the webkit variant bucket
[13:50:52] <Zash> You put a browser in the rendering engine bucket?
[13:51:03] <waqas> Zash: He likely meant Blink
[13:51:06] <jonasw> right
[13:51:24] <Zash> Wasn't that the IE rendering engine? Or something?
[13:51:41] <waqas> No, that was Google's fork of webkit
[13:52:37] <waqas> IE's is Trident for older browsers, EdgeHTML for Edge
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[13:54:56] <Tobias> waqas, why not put it in the KHTML bucket ;)
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[13:57:15] <waqas> Webkit has diverged significantly (practically all the pieces have been rewritten), I doubt much of the original KHTML code survives.
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[14:01:57] <Tobias> although i wonder how a (L)GPL rendering engine could be the base of a BSD licensed WebKit :)
[14:02:17] <Tobias> licenses, how do they work 🤔
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[14:12:18] <Neustradamus> Guus: some year ago, I have requested plugins on the XMPP Wiki, I think in the same time to have the last MediaWiki for have XMPP URI, MediaWiki has added after my requests:
https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/XMPP_URIs
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[15:53:58] <Guus> Neustradamus: what happened with that request?
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