Sunday, February 26, 2017
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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[07:48:39] <Guus> ralphm, kev, others. What is the last thought on that 'getting started' stuff (strict neutrality policy)?
[07:49:34] <Guus> I'm inclined to merge https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/246 and have people improve upon that. Perhaps that triggers some movement on the issue.
[07:55:04] <Guus> intosi, alex, Tobias, nyco (wiki sysops?): Could you please install the Cite extension to mediawiki (or point me to someone that can)? Should be as easy as downloading one file, and have a one-line modification in another: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite#Installation
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[07:57:08] <nyco> Sure, good idea, who will do it?
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[07:57:35] <Guus> I don't have access to that machine. You're listed as a sysop, so I'm hoping you have.
[07:58:45] <Guus> While at it, we might want to revisit the menu bar on the left site. A lot of the links point to pages that are either empty, or completely unmaintained (eg: council's radar). We should remove those links, if it's not to much trouble.
[07:59:05] <Guus> again, I don't have the power (captain).
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[08:39:14] <Ge0rG> Meh, this might be a real showstopper for carbonation of body-less 'normal' messages: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0047.html#message
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[09:36:09] <jonasw> re carbons: like someone said a few days ago, what we actually need is a distinguisher between "meant for a specific client" and "meant for an account"
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[11:45:33] <Ge0rG> jonasw: 0184 are obviously ment to a specific client, but it's good to carbon-copy them nevertheless
[11:46:13] <jonasw> Ge0rG: they are not, I think
[11:46:22] <jonasw> they are meant for a *user*.
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[11:49:06] <Ge0rG> jonasw: maybe we are trying to reinterpret them in that way
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[12:37:12] <Guus> I've grown impatient and merged https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/246 (the 'getting started' page). People that disagree will have to take action.
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[14:36:19] <moparisthebest> Good move Guus taking action seems to be the hardest part :-)
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[15:04:13] <Guus> moparisthebest: it really is not.
[15:05:58] <moparisthebest> It seems like it is though
[15:06:06] <Zash> http://www.bunny-comic.com/6.html
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[15:54:58] <Neustradamus> Guus: xmpp:... on the wiki for example
[15:55:30] <Guus> Neustradamus: that is not an answer to my question.
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[15:59:05] <Neustradamus> Guus: about the wiki?
[15:59:15] <Neustradamus> I have requested some years ago...
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[15:59:41] <Guus> Neustradamus: nevermind.
[16:02:25] <Neustradamus> Maybe there will be an update soon, the problem will be resolved in part :)
[16:04:05] <Guus> Why do you say that?
[16:04:23] <Guus> Why would there be an update?
[16:06:33] <Neustradamus> XMPP URI
[16:07:02] <Neustradamus> https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/XMPP_URIs
[16:09:34] <Neustradamus> MediaWiki has added XMPP URI in code (not all, no image) after some requests but the XMPP Wiki has not a "last version"...
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[16:15:59] <Guus> Neustradamus: I never asked about the xmpp uri scheme. This is something that you brought up.
[16:17:23] <Neustradamus> You speak about the wiki, I speak about the wiki too
[16:19:35] <Guus> Neustradamus: no, I am asking for one very specific feature to be added to the wiki. You attempt to hijack my effort by talking about something that *you* asked for instead. Apart from that they both relate to the wiki, they have nothing in common.
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[16:21:04] <Neustradamus> I have previously requested plugins adding too.
[16:21:41] <Neustradamus> I always do things to make things happen, even if it's impossible to move Openfire things, a lot of bugs exists for years ^^
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[16:31:06] <Guus> Neustradamus: you are not helping. You are being disruptive, and have no eye for anything else but what you, rightfully or not, think is important. The Openfire developers have, time and time again, tried to explain to you why some things in Openfire will *not* be modified as you suggest- but you either do not understand, do not agree, or do not listen at all. You do continue to pester people about it though, which is why go got banned, repeatedly, in the Ignite Realtime community. But do keep up the good work!
[16:32:14] <jonasw> uhm; maybe you want to discuss that elsewhere?
[16:32:20] <Neustradamus> For other guys who do not know, there are a lot of bugs in Openfire, one here: https://issues.igniterealtime.org/browse/OF-81
This bug has been opened by Guenther Niess, 11/16/09 04:03 PM
Soon 8 years :)
One day users, devs will be happy
https://github.com/igniterealtime/Openfire/pull/405
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[16:36:50] <Guus> sorry jonasw, you're right.
[16:37:07] <Neustradamus> Impossible to speak on the open_chat muc room badly, but I have a lot of users/devs returns, you can see the history of the bug, the original fix version : 3.6.5, today Openfire is 4.1.3 without...
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