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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[06:07:03] <jonasw> will there be anything interesting going on XSF-wise on the Chemitzer Linux Tage?
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[08:07:15] <Ge0rG> Oh, it's that time again. I don't think there are any plans, but I'm going there
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[08:09:26] <jonasw> I’ll be there too, I think. Not sure which day(s) yet, gotta check the schedule of the event and my own :)
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[11:05:40] <Flow> Any BOSH experts in here who can/want comment on https://github.com/igniterealtime/jbosh/pull/4 ?
[11:06:16] <Zash> jonasw: What where when?
[11:07:53] <Flow> zash: CLT in Karl-Marx-Stadt, err, chemnitz: https://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2017/de
[11:08:07] <Flow> Ge0rG, daniel and I where there last year
[11:08:46] <mathieui> §W 5
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[11:11:36] <MattJ> Flow, the logic failure is that the client doesn't need to wait for an acknowledgement before it can send more requests (putting aside the normal BOSH rules about multiple open requests)
[11:12:13] <dwd> Flow, What PR#4 is saying doesn't immediately seem wrong - that one could use HTTP responses as acks - but the code doesn't appear to do this, and also what MattJ says.
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[11:16:19] <Flow> Thanks MattJ, dwd. I think OPs main problem is using BOSH with only one (processing) thread. That will always cause a delay in one of the directions (if I'm not mistaken).
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[11:36:14] <Zash> Blocking HTTP requests?
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[12:39:53] <daniel> Guus: re that openfire connection issue. Is there a chance that the the upgrade somehow caused sasl mechanisms to vanish
[12:40:13] <daniel> Let's say sha1 disappearing for example
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[12:52:17] <Zash> http://download.igniterealtime.org/openfire/docs/latest/changelog.html
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[13:04:21] <Flow> Zash: blocking http requests?
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[13:06:53] <Zash> daniel: some SCRAM changes there, maybe
[13:11:44] <Zash> Flow: Send HTTP request, wait for response before continuing with processing, have a bad time.
[13:12:10] <Flow> well that's what I think is happening in case only one thread is used with jbosh
[13:12:48] <Zash> Oh it's a client side library?
[13:13:03] <Zash> The coffee, it does nothing :|
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[13:15:38] <Zash> Hey, Guus or dwd, does Openfire still do DIGEST-MD5?
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[13:19:50] <Zash> Given the recent rush to hate on SHA-1, I'm impressed that nobody cares that DIGEST-MD5 is still around.
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[13:28:08] <daniel> Zash: well the 24 hours news cycle and the general alarmism applies to it security news as well
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[13:38:00] <Holger> My university's server offers only PLAIN so I'm on the safe side.
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[13:39:47] <Link Mauve> <3
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[13:43:48] <Flow> PSA: Google announces today the accepted GSOC orgs
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[13:44:31] <Flow> In 2 h 45 minutes
[13:48:26] <dwd> Zash, DIGEST-MD5's security state hasn't really changed; the biggest weakness remains that you can churn through a lot of MD5's each second, and DIGEST-MD5 only uses three per cycle.
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[13:48:38] <dwd> Zash, The fact it uses MD5 is *almost* irrelevant.
[13:49:15] <jonasw> isn’t it with DIGEST-MD5 that, like with PLAIN, it is enough to listen in on the connection to be able to authenticate as that user later?
[13:50:40] <jonasw> (I haven’t looked into it; it has been deprecated so I didn’t bother implementing it)
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[13:55:24] <Tobias> not to forget the interop issues with digest-md5
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[13:57:40] <Zash> dwd: I'm sure we'll receive bug reports about SCRAM-SHA-1 being terrible because SHA-1 is broken soon.
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[13:58:31] <dwd> Tobias, Oh, there are lots of problems. But using MD5 isn't really one of them.
[13:58:50] <dwd> jonasw, No, it's not subject to replay.
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[13:59:10] <Tobias> dwd, reply with "Patches welcome!" :)
[13:59:10] <Zash> What about active MITM?
[13:59:39] <dwd> Zash, No channel binding, so yeah, an active MITM can work.
[13:59:49] <dwd> Zash, But couldn't replay, still.
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[14:00:29] <Zash> dwd: I remember there being issues with SCRAM if you could get a client to try to auth with you.
[14:01:21] <dwd> Zash, Only in as much as you can potentially brute-force the SHA-1 and extract the plaintext equiv in a reasonable timeframe these days.
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[16:12:35] <Flow> narf, google doesn't mention 17:00 UTC any more
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[16:21:56] <daniel> Flow: the time line still says 1600Z
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[16:22:30] <Flow> daniel: here → https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/how-it-works/ ?
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[16:23:15] <jonasw> How it works: 1. we freeze your browser because you’re not using chromium (jk)
[16:23:25] <daniel> Flow, https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline
[16:23:50] <Link Mauve> jonasw, loaded quite fast here on Firefox nightly.
[16:23:59] <jonasw> Link Mauve: it behaves oddly when XHR is forbidden :)
[16:24:08] <jonasw> (it blocks instead of reacting on the error O_o)
[16:24:17] <Link Mauve> Weird.
[16:24:19] <jonasw> yes.
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[17:01:40] <Kev> https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/6327289865306112/
[17:02:14] <intosi> \o/
[17:02:23] <dwd> \o/
[17:02:54] <daniel> Awesome
[17:02:56] <dwd> Tobias, Want to tweet something from @xmpp?
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[17:03:10] <dwd> (Assuming Tobias is an Approved Tweeter)
[17:03:24] <Kev> I believe he is, yes. I need to get those credentials from Bear at some point.
[17:03:24] <Tobias> sure
[17:03:40] <Tobias> although i don't have any cerdentials
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[17:03:54] <intosi> We won't hold it against you.
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[17:11:25] <arc> Kev: did you get the email yet?
[17:11:35] <Kev> arc: Nope.
[17:11:43] <Kev> I just went straight to the source :)
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[17:11:54] <arc> and?
[17:12:38] <Kev> Kev
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https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/6327289865306112/
[17:12:45] <arc> nice
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[17:18:04] <arc> copyleft games is in too
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[17:20:50] <arc> i'll cross-link xsf on our ideas page for related organizations
[17:20:57] <dwd> I got the email, came here, and Kev had already posted.
[17:22:32] <arc> Kev: you should link xmpp related orgs on the ideas page. it helps steer students in the right direction while they're looking ;-)
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[17:26:02] <kaboom> are there any restrictions which project/persons can become a gsoc mentor for xsf?
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[17:34:33] <Kev> arc: If there's stuff you think I should do, can yo umail please?
[17:34:47] <Kev> I'm in the office until Wed night, so my mind is highly lossy at the moment.
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[17:34:53] <Kev> And now to dinner...
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[18:42:52] <Ge0rG> Wow, the white house forbids staff to use Signal. http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/sean-spicer-targets-own-staff-in-leak-crackdown-235413
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[22:09:01] <moparisthebest> Ge0rG, as usual the media gets it wrong, the headline anyway, isn't it they were forbidden from leaking private info, meh
[22:09:33] <moparisthebest> that's how I read it anyhow, either way no mention of xmpp/conversations/omemo in there and I don't know whether to be happy or sad about it lol
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[22:48:22] <mimi89999> I heart "fake news" more often in the last several months/year than during my entire life until the election crisis.
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[23:06:07] <mathieui> because "fake news" were just called "lies" before then
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[23:08:04] <Link Mauve> Or conspiracy theories.
[23:08:11] <Link Mauve> Or “conspiracy theories”.
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