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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[07:44:06] <jonasw> Ge0rG: I think it is pretty clear how to send a message to a MUC.
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[07:48:40] <Ge0rG> jonasw: but there is no way to know that it arrived :P
[07:48:54] <jonasw> indeed :-)
[07:48:56] <jonasw> uh
[07:49:14] <jonasw> we should try to smuggle a <feature var='muc_keeps_ids' /> in your PR
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[07:51:27] <Ge0rG> jonasw: I tried and failed, some two years ago. I think clients that care enough just need to embed a [xep 359] tag
[07:51:55] <jonasw> ah clever
[07:53:08] <Ge0rG> jonasw: I consider it a crude hack.
[07:53:38] <jonasw> depends on the point of view regarding the id uniqueness per stream
[07:53:45] <Ge0rG> I know that XMPP is old, but it's had sufficient time and opportunity to adapt and to make reliable message routing a first class citizen
[07:54:02] <jonasw> will we get that with MIX?
[07:54:15] <jonasw> (.oO(make all <message/>s <iq/>s!)
[07:54:18] <jonasw> )
[07:54:36] <Ge0rG> and instead we've got acks, stream management, carbons, mix, stable-message-ids, which all solve partially overlapping partial problems.
[07:55:23] <jonasw> not sure that anything of acks, SM and Carbons is really overlapping.
[07:55:27] <Ge0rG> I really don't want to get started about this today. I haven't had my coffeine yet, and there is an important meeting in one hour :>
[07:55:34] <jonasw> :D
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[07:56:05] <Ge0rG> jonasw: SM and acks both implement message reliability mechanisms, two faces of the same medal.
[07:56:14] <jonasw> but on a different scope
[07:56:34] <Ge0rG> jonasw: it's absolutely the same logic, just different endpoints.
[07:56:39] <jonasw> yes
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[07:56:48] <Ge0rG> except one is a message attribute and the other is a nonza.
[07:56:49] <jonasw> that’s what I mean by differetn scope
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[07:56:59] <jonasw> *message child element I hope
[07:57:04] <Ge0rG> right.
[07:57:36] <Ge0rG> and then we have the problem that carbons don't carbonate 0184 acks because those are "normal" messages.
[07:58:11] <jonasw> carbons is a mess
[07:58:39] <Ge0rG> I'm asking for multiple years now to replace carbons and "classic" bind with a MAM subscription mechanism.
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[07:59:34] <Ge0rG> you authenticate, and instead of doing all the crufty "bind session, enable carbons, query MAM, send presence" just do a nice and simple bind2 with MAM subscription.
[07:59:51] <Ge0rG> depending on the order of the above, you'll get crazy side effecs.
[08:00:23] <jonasw> yeah, I got that from the bind2 xep
[08:01:29] <Ge0rG> but bind2 still doesn't give us MAM subscription
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[08:02:04] <jonasw> I was also wondering about a different thing. Assuming I have a MIX in my roster and a client freshly connects to my account. Then right after the connection is established (before the client got a chance to send any disco#info requests), someone writes a message in the MIX and my client thus gets a message from somemix+someuser@mixservice. How is it supposed to know that this is a mix and show the message correctly?
[08:02:13] <jonasw> is MAM subscription a thing?
[08:02:13] <Ge0rG> so we have two different mechanisms for offline and online sync now, with different message retention properties.
[08:02:52] <Ge0rG> jonasw: I suppose your MIX proxy will figure out from the client's caps that it's not MIX enabled
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[08:03:02] <jonasw> well, no, the client *can* do MIX
[08:03:06] <jonasw> but it hasn’t seen the account yet
[08:03:06] <Ge0rG> jonasw: otherwise, you're f***ed.
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[08:03:26] <Ge0rG> jonasw: this is exactly why I'm complaining about MIX-in-roster
[08:03:37] <jonasw> what does this have to do with MIX-in-roster?
[08:03:59] <Ge0rG> jonasw: implicit join on connect.
[08:04:08] <jonasw> I think that’s a feature
[08:04:22] <Ge0rG> jonasw: until you get a message from a MIX.
[08:04:32] <jonasw> yes well, I need to know that it’s a MIX
[08:04:41] <Ge0rG> yes you do
[08:05:15] <Ge0rG> jonasw: you could spawn a thread to process that message, and have the thread query the domain / plus-less JID / something about what it is.
[08:05:34] <jonasw> thanks, but that’s insane
[08:05:53] <Ge0rG> jonasw: you could also just do a blocking query :P
[08:06:05] <jonasw> that’s not better
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[08:07:03] <Ge0rG> jonasw: maybe your client can see that you are in somemix@mixservice from your annotated roster, and thus determine that somemix+someuser@mixservice must be a participant of that mix?
[08:07:19] <jonasw> that could worl
[08:07:21] <jonasw> *work
[08:07:41] <jonasw> if the roster is actually going to be annotated, that could indeed work.
[08:07:50] <jonasw> won’t work for mixes which are not in the roster thoguh
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[11:31:58] <Ge0rG> In the context of auto-generated UUID-JIDs for private MUCs/MIXes, there is an interesting question of how to prevent impersonation attacks.
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[11:43:55] <jonasw> Ge0rG: reject MIXes/MUCs with anonymous settings for that purpose?
[11:44:05] <jonasw> and then look up the JIDs to make sure they match
[11:44:19] <jonasw> uhm, I may not be so sure about your usecase anymore
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[11:57:59] <Ge0rG> jonasw: if the MIX/MUC is on a different server than yours or your inviting contact's, the MIX/MUC can misbehave and feed you "trusted" JIDs
[11:58:51] <jonasw> if you assume that the service is evil, end-to-end is probably the only way out
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[12:02:58] <Ge0rG> jonasw: I assume that my own server is not evil, but an evil third-party server might exist.
[12:03:15] <jonasw> still applies
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[12:06:53] <Ge0rG> jonasw: I think there is room for a security model somewhere between "trust everybody" and "trust nobody, run e2ee everywhere"
[12:07:26] <Ge0rG> jonasw: something like "trust my server to properly handle MUCs and contacts, and not to lie to me about users' JIDs"
[12:07:50] <Ge0rG> jonasw: otherwise we are deep into sign-MUC-invitations-and-participant-lists-with-OMEMO land
[12:08:28] <jonasw> yes, but that’s not a way to prevent impersonation attacks; that’s a way to say "they don’t matter because those who can execute them won’t do that"
[12:09:46] <Ge0rG> jonasw: good point. Then we really need to sign every presence and message.
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[12:09:58] <jonasw> indeed
[12:10:10] <jonasw> or use peer-to-peer MUCs :-)
[12:10:24] <jonasw> (although that still needs E2E)
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[12:10:57] <Ge0rG> jonasw: the only secure way to make trusted identities is to route-to-publickeys, like Tor and similar.
[12:11:42] <jonasw> yeah, I do not see that happen with XMPP
[12:12:18] <Tobias> you can perfectly use XMPP with onion domains
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[12:12:38] <Ge0rG> Tobias: that's completely orthogonal.
[12:13:07] <Ge0rG> Tobias: unless you want each user to run their own .onion xmpp server.
[12:13:17] <Tobias> right
[12:13:24] <jonasw> why not! that also gives us client-chosen identifiers in JIDs! :>
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[12:14:29] <Ge0rG> jonasw: was it jonasw@6HbHXvQ00HcXJMWYlC5lpeU5.onion or jonasw@hC19YDLyWPC6jAFVQDlH78Lf.onion again?
[12:14:41] <jonasw> distributed name services!
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[12:15:10] <jonasw> also, you would know, because your client lets you choose by public key (including meta information), not by .onion address
[12:15:20] <Ge0rG> Zooko called, and he wants his triangle back.
[12:16:00] <Ge0rG> jonasw: so I'd choose by "6HbHXvQ00HcXJMWYlC5lpeU5" vs "hC19YDLyWPC6jAFVQDlH78Lf"?
[12:16:21] <jonasw> no, the key with title "Jonas Wielicki" you signed when we met at CLT 2017 ;-)
[12:16:24] <Ge0rG> meta information can be faked.
[12:16:32] <Ge0rG> jonasw: but we never met at CLT 2017.
[12:16:40] <jonasw> now that’s tricky
[12:16:47] <jonasw> ;-)
[12:16:48] <Tobias> if we get the lookup/bootstrapping problem solved it doesn't matter how cryptic the JID looks :)
[12:17:02] <Ge0rG> exchanging xmpp addresses is hard enough already without routing-by-publickey
[12:17:29] <Ge0rG> Tobias: are we putting a pubkey-routed overlay network on top of xmpp now?
[12:17:41] <Tobias> I'm certainly not
[12:18:06] <Tobias> put you probably could do serverless XMPP via DHT discovered endpoints :)
[12:18:26] <Tobias> everything is supposed to be serverless nowadays anyways ;)
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[12:18:30] <Ge0rG> Tobias: right. or serverless xmpp on .onion domains, to reuse existing tech
[12:18:51] <jonasw> i wanted to implement serverless for fun anyways
[12:18:59] <Tobias> still have the bootstrapping/contact lookup problem though
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[12:19:43] <Ge0rG> Tobias: QR codes printed with your blood onto calfskin.
[12:19:56] <Ge0rG> the blood provides a strong binding to your identity, via DNA
[12:21:00] <Ge0rG> maybe there is even some way to cryptographically hash your DNA info to make a truly-personal keypair.
[12:21:20] <Tobias> Ge0rG, people get cloned, then what?
[12:22:02] <Ge0rG> Tobias: only a large government service is able to clone people. This attack vector can be safely ignored for normal people.
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[12:23:01] <Tobias> they cloned dolly in the 90s, didn't they..must be dead cheap by now
[12:23:29] <Ge0rG> Tobias: I hope you didn't intend to make that a tasteless pun. :D
[12:23:52] <Tobias> at first not, but now that i reread that message :)
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[12:26:09] <jonasw> :D
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[14:02:44] <Tobias> nyco, https://mongoose-os.com/ is not related to mongoose XMPP server, is it?
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[14:42:46] <nyco> Nope ;-)
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