Thursday, March 09, 2017
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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[11:59:41] <jonasw> good day, XSF
[12:00:21] <Tobias> ahoy
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[12:01:45] <Ge0rG> A good day indeed.
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[15:28:34] <SamWhited> moparisthebest: When you get a second, could you glance over my PR and give a final thumbs up or thumbs down? I just made minor editorial changes (making sure things were linked properly) https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/445
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[16:49:26] <moparisthebest> SamWhited, gave it my thumbs up
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[16:52:26] <SamWhited> awesome; will merge in a bit and then figure out who I need to ping at IANA to get everything registered properly.
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[16:53:38] <moparisthebest> SamWhited, https://www.iana.org/assignments/tls-extensiontype-values/tls-extensiontype-values.xhtml#alpn-protocol-ids says to contact 'Joe Salowey' if I read it right
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[16:53:45] <moparisthebest> for ALPN protocols anyway
[16:54:11] <SamWhited> yah, I'm not actually sure how their expert review process works; I'll double check.
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[16:58:02] <moparisthebest> I also have no idea
[16:58:34] <moparisthebest> also SamWhited someone said you should register SRV service names, but also have no idea about that
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[17:00:05] <SamWhited> moparisthebest: Thanks, I'll look into it and update the IANA considerations section if anything else needs to be registered.
[17:00:33] <moparisthebest> thanks!
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[17:06:00] <moparisthebest> somewhat related question, I recall when I first proposed this someone (maybe dwd?) said it should eventually be an RFC instead of a XEP but we'd cross that bridge when we came to it, is that still true? and is XEP Draft status where that bridge lies?
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[18:08:11] <Ge0rG> Is it possible to find out when a contact was last online? Something like https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/last-seen-online.html maybe?
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[18:15:55] <Ge0rG> [xep 256]? [xep 319]?
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[18:21:26] <fippo> ge0rg: xep 12?
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[18:22:07] <Zash> > This is merly a description since the protocol is already described in RFC 6121
[18:22:46] <Ge0rG> So what is actually used by im clients and servers in the wild?
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[18:25:50] <Zash> http://logs.xmpp.org/council/2013-02-27/#16:05:17
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[19:00:28] <Guus> who here can help me figure out how to fix the site?
[19:00:35] <Zash> Is the site broken?
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[19:00:52] <Guus> the automatic deployment to it
[19:01:35] <Guus> I checked in a change, which locally works. Travis agrees with it too, but at the server, something stagnates
[19:02:17] <Guus> I don't have access there, so I'm not sure of the details. Best I can figure is that my local environment nor Travis is a good representation of our production environment.
[19:02:34] <Guus> I'd like to fix that (and resolve the issue causing the stagnation in the process)
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[19:03:17] <Guus> this might relate to the same problem: https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/issues/247
[19:03:46] <Ge0rG> Zash: so that proto XEP is in the inbox for over four years now? Awesome.
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[19:04:42] <moparisthebest> they said protoxeps never get removed Ge0rG
[19:04:46] <moparisthebest> cause it'd break links
[19:05:47] <Zash> I didn't see any definite rejection in that log, but I didn't look further.
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[19:09:22] <Lance> That protoxep became https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0318.html
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[19:09:55] <Zash> No redirect in place?
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[19:12:57] <Guus> intosi, kev, tobias - you're the only people that I'm aware that can help me out (with access to the webserver) so unless you redirect my efforts elsewhere, I'll keep poking you for help
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[19:46:03] <Ge0rG> Looks like somebody else had exactly the same problems with counting smileys as I did yesterday... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13830177
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[19:54:50] <Ge0rG> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13832787 http://homebrewserver.club/have-you-considered-the-alternative.html - longish article about federated and encrypted messaging
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[19:57:05] <daniel> >developed by Open Whisper Systems, a non-profit
Lol
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[20:03:08] <kaboom> it depends on the definition of non-profit 😉
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[20:15:14] <daniel> kaboom, non-profit is actually pretty well defined
[20:15:47] <daniel> it doesn't mean mean "does not return any profit" because in that case Uber would be a non-profit as well
[20:16:08] <Zash> "non-profit" or "not for profit"?
[20:16:33] <kaboom> return any profit to whom? most organisations often called non-profits have paid employees
[20:16:45] <Zash> Share holders?
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[20:17:15] <kaboom> if (one of) the share holder(s) is such an employee?
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[20:29:09] <Zash> I'm sure share holder payouts and employee salaries have different tax rates.
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[20:32:10] <kaboom> true, here in germany they're usually less then salaries
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[21:00:49] <Guus> I think I figured out what is wrong with the website, and why Travis didn't pick up on that change. Travis uses the latest vesion of Pelican, while our webserver uses an older one.
[21:00:51] <Guus> https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/273/commits/35a9f81e60a5f6e945c7851534b93be492616126
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