XSF logo XSF Discussion - 2017-03-17


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  154. jonasw good morning
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  164. dwd Morning all.
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  167. Guus o/
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  199. Ge0rG Hm. Even quoting of messages (with attribution) is a science. Should one use "$nickname wrote:\n> $message" (i18n-nightmare on multi-language MUCs), "$nickname:\n> $message" (i18n-neutral but does not properly indicate attribution), or maybe "$nickname (HH:MM):\n> $message" (the HH:MM is a hint that this is a quote and not a mention, but exposes local time)
  200. Ge0rG Ge0rG (11:55): > Hm. Even quoting of messages [...]
  201. Ge0rG doesn't look too bad, does it?
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  203. Ge0rG Is this something that should be part of IM Usability Guidelines or should every client implement their own common sense understanding of what's the problem and the solution?
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  207. Ge0rG Of course there is also "$nickname> $message" but it looks strange on multi-line messages.
  208. dwd Format-flowed in IM? Use <thread/> and an in-reply-to SHIM to indicate the provenence?
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  210. Ge0rG dwd: that works in theory if you stay in the same MUC. Sometimes you also want to cross-quote ;) And then there is the Usability challenge of properly displaying <thread> relations
  211. dwd Ge0rG, Does this *need* a standard?
  212. Ge0rG dwd: this is part of my question
  213. dwd Ge0rG, Yeah. I think I don't care (enough). At least not yet.
  214. Ge0rG dwd: it's lower on my needs-a-standard priority list than having the same color scheme for MUC participant nicknames.
  215. Ge0rG ...over clients
  216. Kev References? :)
  217. intosi -1 why?
  218. dwd Kev, References does everything.
  219. Kev Everything to do with referencing other messages, at least :)
  220. dwd And referencing other things.
  221. dwd We reference pubsub nodes.
  222. Ge0rG And all I wanted to do is simple string manipulations.
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  261. Guus Is there any way to let your contacts know why you are offline? A kind of 'extended-away' status, but explicitly while offline? ("I'm travelling until <somedate> and won't be back online before")
  262. Kev Just set the reason same as any other statutus.
  263. Kev On sending unavailable.
  264. Guus is there any client that actually displays that?
  265. Kev I think most will, but probably only if they receive it live.
  266. Kev So probably not that useful, sorry.
  267. Ge0rG it could be stored in PEP :>
  268. Tobias or in the vCard
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  274. MattJ Some servers did store this, maybe jabberd14/2
  275. MattJ and it was answered in response to probes
  276. Tobias that would be the expected behavior
  277. Tobias https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0318.html requires that :)
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  280. fippo kev: well, the other client (or its server) could send a probe and the server that has the "I am travelling" last presence could return it. now i dont think many servers return the last unavailable presence anymore these days
  281. Ge0rG returning the last unavailable presence, with a delay element, would also allow to implement a kind of "last seen"
  282. Flow hmm, not sure if I like the name *delay* element in this context
  283. jonasw there’s even an example of delayed presence in 203: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0203.html (Example 2)
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