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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[08:50:39] <Guus> Anyone interested in attending T-DOSE (November 18/19, Eindhoven, NL)? Timothée and myself are going. I'm thinking of asking for an XMPP stand.
[08:51:45] <Guus> It's pretty reachable by public transportation. Trainstation nearby, and Eindhoven has an airport.
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[09:45:55] <ralphm> A bit far for me.
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[09:47:53] <ralphm> I'd need at least 20 minutes by bus, and then the walking.
[09:48:24] <edhelas> 🚲
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[09:49:38] <Guus> Yeah, the walking. That's aweful.
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[09:49:51] <Guus> although you could take a bus to the trainstation, and do 15 minutes walking from there.
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[09:50:34] <Guus> (you might actually be faster on a bicycle?)
[09:50:50] <Ge0rG> Can't you take a bicycle on the train?
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[09:52:19] <Zash> Why would they let you do something smart like that?
[09:53:07] <Guus> Ge0rG: yes, but not during rush hour.
[09:53:21] <Guus> Zash - it's pretty common over here. We love our bikes.
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[09:53:38] <Ge0rG> I love my bike too, this is why I'm never using it.
[09:53:39] <Guus> note that this country is flatter than most mirrors.
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[09:54:10] <Guus> I once tried to take my bike on a train in Sweden. Found out the annoying way that I had to ship it as cargo...
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[09:56:21] <SouL> It helps when the country is amazinlgy flat :)
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[09:58:05] <Zash> Our bike lanes do barrel rolls around the roads
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[09:58:51] <Zash> Tunnels and bridges everywhere
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[10:01:00] <Ge0rG> Sounds like my LAN.
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[10:02:30] <edhelas> :p
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[10:04:41] <Guus> so, I'm going to ask for a two-day stand at T-Dose. Who wants to join me there?
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[10:38:41] <ralphm> I mostly use a Kickbike for commuting these days.
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[10:39:40] <intosi> Which isn't a bike at all, according to the NS, right? #nowthatshackingtherules
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[11:06:35] <SouL> I never heard of Kickbikes before... Do they have any benefit compared to bikes?
[11:07:04] <edhelas> compatible with NS trains :p
[11:07:21] <SouL> Ohh
[11:07:49] <edhelas> i had a foldable bike for a while for that reason as well
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[11:14:16] <jonasw> NS?
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[11:15:09] <SouL> jonasw, I hope I'm not wrong: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nederlandse_Spoorwegen
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[11:16:19] <edhelas> SouL you're not :)
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[11:32:48] <jonasw> ah I see
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[11:44:58] <Guus> people, I've created a FOSDEM and Summit 22 wiki page, to get organisation started. I'm assuming that we're going to do those? Does Board formally have to schedule the summit?
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[11:46:11] <Guus> I'm hopign that people that were involved in its organization last time will again be availble to help out (if only because I don't know what I'm doing ;) )
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[12:14:18] <tux> Will XSF be on 34c3?
[12:14:38] <mimi89999> When is it?
[12:14:42] <Ge0rG> tux: some members will
[12:14:56] <tux> Ge0rG: at least one, I know this much %)
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[12:15:24] <tux> mimi89999: End of December in Leipzig/Germany
[12:15:35] <Ge0rG> tux: I think there were also plans to organize an assembly, check members archive from August, "SCAM: 34C3"
[12:15:45] <tux> ack
[12:16:19] <Ge0rG> cont'd in September
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[12:19:55] <mathieui> tux, some members and board members will
[12:20:19] <mathieui> (reminder that I’ve still got early 34C3 coupons for XMPP people)
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[12:21:46] <Guus> mathieui: could you create a quick page on the wiki for this? I've just done t-dose, fosdem and summit - really must get back to work
[12:22:13] <mathieui> yes
[12:22:44] <Guus> thanks. I'll not be attending, but am happy to faciilitate from a SCAM perspective (having a wiki page helps me remind of that)
[12:23:04] <mathieui> Hu, I don’t have a wiki account anymore
[12:23:19] <tux> (Why does the archive not list message IDs?)
[12:24:15] <tux> (or a re-send to me feature)
[12:24:38] <Ge0rG> mathieui: you could ask a wiki admin (me) if you provide your user name and email address via PM.
[12:26:18] <jonasw> tux, I think you can download mbox files
[12:26:41] <jonasw> hmm, aybe not
[12:26:51] <jonasw> we should see if there’s a way to enable that, that’d be a useful thing
[12:27:22] <tux> Ge0rG provided me with the message ID
[12:28:23] <Ge0rG> maybe we should also ask Board if the members archives are supposed to be public
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[12:38:10] <mathieui> I don’t see why not
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[12:42:09] <mathieui> https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/34C3 there, created (Guus, tux)
[12:42:36] <edhelas> damn, looks like I'm coming to the 34c3 :D
[12:42:46] <mathieui> I thought you already had a ticket :o
[12:42:47] <Guus> tx
[12:43:32] <Ge0rG> mathieui: [[Category:SCAM]] might be useful
[12:43:54] <Guus> yeah, I was just thinking of that
[12:44:07] <Guus> I didn't do that for the other events, but I should've
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[12:44:20] <mathieui> done
[12:44:22] <Ge0rG> I'm sure Daniel will go as well.
[12:45:14] <Guus> I did the other pages, tx
[12:45:52] <mathieui> Ge0rG, well, I added only people I already heard from
[12:46:01] <mathieui> I’m sure there are other people
[12:46:36] <Ge0rG> mathieui: Daniel was the one to ask on members@
[12:47:06] <mathieui> right
[12:47:11] <Guus> I've added it to 'upcoming events' on the main wiki page.
[12:48:14] <mathieui> (I added daniel)
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[12:49:36] <Ge0rG> I made stupid remarks.
[12:49:41] <Ge0rG> As always.
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[12:50:36] <mathieui> Also, we (JabberFR) will probably end up having a booth at Capitole du Libre, a french event, can we request some SCAM material for this?
[12:51:05] <Ge0rG> mathieui: like stickers with overlapping archs?
[12:51:10] <mathieui> like that, yes
[12:51:23] <Ge0rG> I'd still love to see a sticker design with bear arms.
[12:51:38] <Ge0rG> Bruno the Bear hugging Zimpie the XMPP.
[12:51:54] <Ge0rG> Or is it Zimpy?
[12:51:59] <tux> Narf, sorry for the (now reverted) edit on the SCAM page. Computers are hard.
[12:52:29] <Guus> mathieui: yes, you can.
[12:53:00] <mathieui> We’ll get on it once our presence is confirmed then
[12:53:06] <Guus> kk
[12:53:07] <tux> same here
[12:53:53] <Guus> poke me personally, if the SCAM themed commchannels have not been established by then
[12:54:09] <mathieui> no problem
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[15:10:03] <tux> oh...building psi-plus 1.2.71 packages for current Debian Stable was too easy ...
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[16:06:50] <moparisthebest> dwd, didn't you say you implemented '368 in a server? and which one?
[16:07:02] <moparisthebest> the s2s part I mean
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[16:08:54] <daniel> moparisthebest: metre
[16:09:17] <Ge0rG> I never can remember that name.
[16:09:22] <daniel> github.com/surevine/metre
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[16:11:13] <moparisthebest> thanks daniel
[16:11:29] <moparisthebest> anyone know of any other s2s '368 implementations?
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[16:22:11] <moparisthebest> ah jonasw so it looks like you mix weight/priority among both types of SRV records too, if I can still read python
[16:22:30] <moparisthebest> which is great, metre does too, and conversations
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[16:24:27] <jonasw> it’s a SHOULD
[16:24:30] <jonasw> and yes, you still can
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[16:31:27] <moparisthebest> yea it was a MUST but someone, I think it was ralphm, said a client might want to simply try '368 records first, and since a server can't tell anyway, changed it to SHOULD
[16:31:39] <moparisthebest> I was just curious if anyone implemented it without mixing
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[16:33:40] <daniel> The slight problem I have with mixing is that it gives too much power to stupid server admins
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[16:34:42] <moparisthebest> so far I've only seen non-stupid admins implement it, but yes I can see what you mean
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[17:15:41] <mimi89999> daniel: Visit Conversations MUC please...
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[17:43:58] <Guus> I LOL'd: https://pastebin.com/yRZgX5TP
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[19:37:30] <SouL> Guus: haha, super funny
[19:37:42] <SouL> 😸
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[20:01:17] <mimi89999> Guus: Where was it?
[20:01:31] <mimi89999> Why not JID? 😂
[20:02:27] <Guus> That was in the Ignite Realtime community chat room
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[22:01:24] <edhelas> call for participation for the 34c3 https://events.ccc.de/2017/09/19/34c3-call-for-participation-and-submission-guidelines/
[22:04:09] <mathieui> added it to the wiki page
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