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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[06:21:02] <edhelas> mathieui thanks!
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[11:32:41] <tux> Did I get this right: Psi(+) does not support OMEMO because this kind of encryption is forbitten in Russia?
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[11:32:53] <tux> https://github.com/psi-im/plugins/issues/10
[11:33:02] <tux> *forbidden
[11:33:31] <zinid> no
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[11:33:58] <mimi89999> What?
[11:34:07] <zinid> rion is full of shit there
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[11:35:23] <tux> So the real reason is more the lack of willing developers ...
[11:35:29] <zinid> yes
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[11:35:50] <tux> ack
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[16:01:15] <ralphm> hi
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[16:01:40] <Guus> Board meeting?
[16:02:23] <Ge0rG> ETA -5 min?
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[16:04:44] <Guus> I got Ralphs "hi" after my last message, but according to Conversations, it was sent more minutes ago?
[16:08:06] <moparisthebest> Guus, according to gajim his "hi' was 5 seconds before your "Board meeting?" message
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[16:08:40] <Guus> My client said 5 minutes
[16:08:44] <ralphm> Weird
[16:08:51] <ralphm> I sent it at 18:05:06
[16:08:52] <Zash> This week on the XSF Board; time travel.
[16:08:53] <ralphm> (CEST)
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[16:09:59] <Ge0rG> Guus: your message was delayed, so probably you were not properly synced to the MUC at that time.
[16:09:59] <moparisthebest> my conversations and gajim both agree with ralphm's time, I think your client is messed up Guus :)
[16:10:01] <Martin> I'm here, not sure who else is…? Also, yeah my client's doing something odd
[16:10:10] <Ge0rG> Still, board meeting?
[16:10:41] <ralphm> I haven't detected quorum yet
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[16:13:17] <MattJ> I'm here
[16:13:26] <ralphm> 17 minutes in
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[16:13:42] <ralphm> Are there any pressing matters this week?
[16:14:28] <MattJ> I don't know how pressing it is - Guus requested approval of his logo fix
[16:14:45] <Ge0rG> My issues don't have a deadline, so feel free to skip board meetings until the next re-election.
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[16:15:11] <ralphm> Ge0rG: thanks for that
[16:15:52] <Ge0rG> ralphm: I'm sorry. Venting at the present board members about the absence of the non-present ones is highly inappropriate.
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[16:18:01] <ralphm> Ge0rG: Well, I've been absent quite a few times, too. Doing volunteer work is hard some times, and so is attending (weekly) meetings. That said, I don't feel that we are doing a bad job in general. Most of the work in this organisation is around protocols and that's why we have Editors and Council.
[16:18:24] <MattJ> FWIW, I feel like we're doing a bad job
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[16:19:35] <Ge0rG> ralphm: I think I'm repeating another person's point, but it's up to the board to decide how often to meet, and at which time.
[16:20:22] <Guus> I've written at length about this, without response. Cannot elaborate again now, driving.
[16:20:30] <ralphm> MattJ: ok
[16:20:34] <SamWhited> There have been several times where people have needed things from the board and the board did not show up for several weeks in a row. That feels like a problem to me.
[16:21:14] <SamWhited> (or rather, where a small subset of the board didn't show up; the people in this room tend to be the ones that are on top of things I think)
[16:21:20] <Ge0rG> The last board meeting was very intense and very productive, though. It didn't cover all the points, but still.
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[16:21:34] <Guus> Agreed
[16:21:52] <ralphm> SamWhited: sure, attendance can be a bit spotty, and from experience especially around summer leading into the autumn.
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[16:23:20] <ralphm> Last week was indeed nicely productive
[16:23:20] <Guus> Theta now is quorum, please meet?
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[16:24:23] <ralphm> 0. Welcome + Agenda
[16:24:24] <ralphm> Hi all
[16:24:28] <MattJ> Hi ralphm
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[16:24:35] <Martin> Ahoy
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[16:24:43] <ralphm> I understand one of the topics is Guus' request to change the XMPP logo.
[16:24:50] <ralphm> anything else pressing?
[16:25:00] <Guus> See trello
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[16:25:14] <ralphm> Guus: thank you, but that's not what I asked
[16:25:18] <Martin> There is a trademark question on Trello we didn't get to last week
[16:25:23] <ralphm> Ok
[16:25:36] <Ge0rG> and the SPAM WG question
[16:26:10] <ralphm> Let's see how far we get.
[16:26:15] <ralphm> 1. XMPP Logo
[16:26:26] <MattJ> +1 to Guus's changes
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[16:27:33] <ralphm> I know there's been some differing opinions on this and if Board can decide on this.
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[16:30:58] <Guus> Kev is -1, most others that expressef opinion +1
[16:30:58] <Martin> I'm OK with Guus' changes
[16:31:04] <ralphm> Wasn't the logo initially voted upon by the membership?
[16:32:20] <Guus> I'm suggesting a small improvement, not a new logo.
[16:32:45] <ralphm> Guus: I don't see the difference, to be honest, procedurally, I mean
[16:33:10] <ralphm> I don't see a need to change the logo myself, but I'd like to make sure that we do it right.
[16:33:36] <Guus> ralphm: original vote if any was between different styles
[16:33:54] <moparisthebest> the email went out to the membership, presumably everyone who cared already commented?
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[16:35:54] <ralphm> moparisthebest: that's not the way things work in foundations in general. Either Board can decide, or the membership in a general meeting.
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[16:36:30] <ralphm> In the mean time, I've been trying to find background in how this logo came to be, but haven't yet found the details.
[16:36:53] <Guus> ralphm: it is in my pr
[16:37:10] <Guus> Including feedback of original designer
[16:37:13] <moparisthebest> if you don't know the right way to do it, just do it, and if anyone complains worry about it then?
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[16:39:12] <ralphm> Guus: yes, I saw that
[16:41:10] <ralphm> I meant that some of the links in the e-mail threads there are dead and I couldn't get all the context.
[16:41:32] <ralphm> I'm +0 on this change and I would like to request the two other directors to vote on this, too.
[16:42:36] <ralphm> 2. Trademark Policy Fees
[16:43:20] <ralphm> I read the card on Trello. My question is: for which application is this a problem that we need to fix?
[16:43:58] <ralphm> Is this about the fee for last week's approved application?
[16:44:54] <Ge0rG> ralphm: no, it's about potential applications that are scared away by the Trademark
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[16:45:34] <ralphm> So there are no concrete cases about people not applying because of this fee?
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[16:45:48] <Ge0rG> ralphm: not as far as I know.
[16:46:05] <Ge0rG> ralphm: obviously, there is no way to know about all the people who haven't applied because they got scared away.
[16:46:11] <ralphm> MattJ, Martin do you see this as a problem we need to fix?
[16:46:33] <ralphm> Ge0rG: to be honest, if I saw a fee that was inhibiting, I'd try to ask what's up with that
[16:46:42] <Ge0rG> ralphm: I've heard from many people, mainly from the OSS movement, that Trademarks Are Evil and that Jabber Is Evil etc. and I want to streamline the process as far as possible.
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[16:47:17] <ralphm> It is not that we *need* the fee itself, but one of its (initial) functions was deterring frivolous applications, i think.
[16:47:40] <MattJ> To be honest this still seems reasonable to me
[16:48:01] <Ge0rG> We have effectively deterred most applications.
[16:48:04] <ralphm> I'm not sure if people that think that Trademarks are evil and by extension the Jabber mark, will start using the name if the fee is $0
[16:48:21] <Ge0rG> ralphm: I'm not sure about that either. I only have a slight hope.
[16:48:23] <ralphm> It is still a trade mark
[16:48:27] <Ge0rG> Yes :(
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[16:49:32] <ralphm> I have seen two out of three present directors not seeing a need to change this, so I have to decline the request for change at this time.
[16:50:20] <ralphm> Martin?
[16:50:55] <Ge0rG> ralphm: is your position that there is nothing we can do to revive the Jabber term?
[16:51:06] <ralphm> not at all
[16:51:06] <Martin> I agree with you ralphm: it's still a trademark, and we can always approach/waive it on a per-case basis
[16:51:52] <Ge0rG> Martin: the board has to decide about applications on a per-case basis anyway.
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[16:52:34] <ralphm> Ge0rG: I fact, I strongly believe it is possible to start using the Jabber mark for a marketing effort to attract people using XMPP-based chat. I do think, though, it would be good for such an effort to include the people managing the jabber.org service, and it also doesn't necessarily need to happen through the XSF.
[16:53:27] <Ge0rG> ralphm: I believe that as a prerequisite, we need to simplify the trademark usage guidelines as far as possible, and that removing the fee is a useful step in that direction
[16:53:39] <ralphm> I disagree
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[16:54:07] <Ge0rG> ralphm: with which parts of my statement?
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[16:54:31] <ralphm> all of it
[16:54:53] <ralphm> in the interest of time, moving on
[16:55:13] <ralphm> 3. SPAM working group
[16:55:47] <ralphm> Was this meant as a request to form a SIG?
[16:56:23] <ralphm> Martin: I see you added this, so I assume you know. But I think what should happen is that somebody writes a XEP for this.
[16:56:29] <Ge0rG> I'm not sure what the formal type of group is. I'm looking for a closed-membership group that can coordinate and devise a strategy before going public.
[16:56:47] <Martin> Dangerous assumption. Given most don't have access to add cards in Trello, I added it on request.
[16:56:55] <MattJ> I'll note that there was some concern (I don't remember who from) about the group being closed
[16:57:10] <ralphm> yeah, that bugs me too
[16:57:29] <jonasw> I think discussing anti-spam techniques publicly is not necessarily a good idea
[16:57:41] <ralphm> sure
[16:57:50] <MattJ> The problem is that if they aren't open, they can't be implemented by operators
[16:57:59] <ralphm> Right
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[16:58:05] <MattJ> Unless we form a small "special" federation of operators
[16:58:26] <moparisthebest> it's just an arms race, discussing in private will at best delay them a bit, at least in public you can come up with things that can't be evaded
[16:58:34] <MattJ> If that's going to happen, operators are free to do that, but I don't know if that's something that should/needs to involve the XSF resources
[16:58:36] <ralphm> which doesn't require any XSF involvement (same as the operators list doesn't)
[16:58:41] <Ge0rG> I'd like to have a small closed group for testing and strategy, that communicates and provides hints to other operators in a semi-public way
[16:59:06] <moparisthebest> doesn't sound very federated
[16:59:10] <ralphm> Ge0rG: right, so I don't think you need the XSF for doing that
[16:59:31] <Ge0rG> ralphm: I hoped to get XSF blessing at least ;)
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[16:59:58] <ralphm> Ge0rG: like XMPP, the community is federated, we don't need the XSF to be at the nexus of it all
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[17:00:18] <SamWhited> If this group is using XSF infrastructure (servers, mailing lists, etc.) I would personally like it to be public. I would want to follow along.
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[17:00:46] <ralphm> Ge0rG: you seem to assume this in all of the things you talk about, but I think a better approach is to find like-minded people and just start doing things
[17:01:19] <ralphm> The operators list is a great place to start this
[17:01:23] <MattJ> I agree with Ralph. And count me in as a like-minded person (who has some non-public anti-spam projects)
[17:01:46] <ralphm> yay
[17:01:48] <MattJ> I just don't think the XSF being involved in such a group is necessary or a good thing
[17:02:06] <ralphm> So looking at the clock, I'm going to close this
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[17:02:17] <MattJ> But if that group ever needed something from the XSF, we can discuss that
[17:02:19] <ralphm> 4. Next Meeting
[17:02:21] <ralphm> +1W?
[17:02:27] <Martin> +1W is ok with me
[17:02:30] <ralphm> MattJ: indeed
[17:02:38] <ralphm> 5. Close
[17:02:46] <ralphm> Thanks all, sorry about starting late.
[17:02:47] <Ge0rG> Thanks very much for the feedback.
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[17:02:57] <MattJ> Thanks ralphm :)
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[17:03:07] <ralphm> I also forgot to ask someone to write minutes :-(
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[17:04:42] <MattJ> I can go over the log and send some out
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[17:05:50] <ralphm> MattJ: ☺
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[17:09:42] <jonasw> +1
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[17:32:28] <Zash> MattJ: Can you explain what the deal is with https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0313.html#example-23 ?
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[17:33:02] <Zash> iq-set returning stuff is pretty uncommon
[17:35:30] <jonasw> Zash, I find it logica
[17:35:32] <jonasw> Zash, I find it logical
[17:35:51] <jonasw> It returns the actually applied preferences, which may be different. that’s less racy and less RTT than requiring the client to query it again after setting
[17:37:16] <Zash> There's still the race of another resource changing stuff between your iq-get and -set
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[19:09:41] <MattJ> Zash, we have that race all over XMPP
[19:09:59] <Zash> MattJ: Rosters and blocking would like to have a word with you
[19:10:10] <MattJ> You think there's no race there? What?
[19:10:35] <Zash> It'll tell you if something changes
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[19:11:24] <MattJ> I agree that a push method for preferences may be (have been?) nice
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[19:11:38] <Zash> And those also deal in deltas, not the complete things.
[19:11:40] <MattJ> But that doesn't solve the race in any way
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[19:11:49] <Zash> What exact race?
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[19:12:22] <MattJ> You'll never know if another resource has a conflicting change in flight, or a push is already in-flight to you
[19:12:51] <Zash> MattJ: The mam-prefs fixes that?
[19:13:09] <MattJ> No, I'm saying that it's no worse
[19:13:24] <Zash> And you'll notice eventually if there was a roster or blocking thing in flight.
[19:13:51] <Zash> You *could* fix that by having a reference to the current version (as you see it)
[19:14:11] <Zash> And then you can build a blockchain on that!
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[19:15:53] <MattJ> That's why I said push would potentially be nice
[19:16:14] <MattJ> But it doesn't solve a real problem in any way
[19:16:25] <Zash> It's already an established pattern
[19:16:47] <MattJ> There's little difference between push vs. pull
[19:17:08] <MattJ> I agree, in hindsight maybe adopting the same model would have been better
[19:17:28] <MattJ> It's a little more complex, but clients are used to it (well, they should be)
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[19:48:03] <Zash> MattJ: Was that in the very earliest drafts? Or, how could I have missed it all this time?
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[19:51:18] <Zash> I remember asking why it wasn't using the common push pattern at some point, but not having seen that it reflected the data back in iq-set.
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[19:57:54] <MattJ> afaik it's always been this way
[19:59:02] <moparisthebest> It's almost as if the various xeps were written by different people :)
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[22:17:45] <Zash> jonasw: found the thing that originally produced xeps.xml: https://q.zash.se/ef274a7e18fc.txt (grep for botsFile)
[22:21:13] <Zash> From the old all-in-one repo
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