XSF logo XSF Discussion - 2017-10-07


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  92. edhelas what is the default behavior when a JID choose to quit a MUC
  93. edhelas looks like most of the clients are not even waiting for the ACK, which can be quite problematic (what if the JID is still connected ?)
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  96. jonasw edhelas, can you clarify?
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  100. Ge0rG Another one bites the dust. https://mobile.twitter.com/aim/status/916290747850264577
  101. jonasw now, all we need is a super-elegant way to get people into the XMPP network
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  103. jonasw off the top of my head: set up an XMPP domain, deploy an AIM transport, let people log in with $aimidentifier@domain.example, import their roster with the @domain.example suffix.
  104. jonasw I am amazed by the twitter thread though
  105. jonasw @aim is doing good work there
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  108. edhelas jonasw to leave a MUC you send a presence unavailable to the MUC, some clients choose to directly say "you're disconnected from the muc"
  109. jonasw edhelas, yeah, I mean, what you gonna do anyways?
  110. edhelas wait for the ACK :)
  111. jonasw sure, but what if you don’t get the ACK
  112. edhelas that's what I'm saying
  113. jonasw yeah, I mean, what’s a client to do about it anyways?
  114. jonasw it can resend unavailable or start ignoring the messages, because the user clearly doesn’t want to be in the MUC anymore.
  115. jonasw why would it wait for the ACK for updating the UI if it can handle everything else under the hood without user interaction?
  116. edhelas what if I send a leave presence, server don't handle it, then I continue to receive messages and presences from the MUC
  117. jonasw resend an unavailable presence on each presence and message from the MUC until it "gets the message" ;-)
  118. jonasw just like the TCP stack will send RSTs to each and every unwanted packet.
  119. edhelas \o/
  120. jonasw (or maybe send an error presence, that’d be okay too, I think)
  121. jonasw (or error message, depending on the received thing)
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  143. Ge0rG Yeah, send errors until the MUC finally kicks you out.
  144. jonasw RST RST RST
  145. jonasw Ge0rG, errors or presence unavailable?
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  147. Ge0rG jonasw: errors.
  148. jonasw mhm
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  153. Ge0rG jonasw: you forgot the Emoji conversion plug-in.
  154. jonasw context?
  155. Ge0rG jonasw [12:40]: > mhm
  156. jonasw Ge0rG, that’s only in pidgin, and I turned it off again because it caused interoperability issues
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  206. Guus an XMPP domain shouldn't be identifying PEP identities and features, should it (unlike its entity JIDs)?
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  210. ralphm I think an XMPP domain should totally be advertising that it supports PEP
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  212. ralphm Or do you think it only makes sense to ask a particular user account?
  213. ralphm I guess PEP is a special one out, because you'd want to find out before you create an account.
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  220. Guus that's what https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0163.html#support implies
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  222. Guus also, there's no pep feature, or is there?
  223. Guus just an identity
  224. Zash Indeed
  225. Guus and it feels wrong to me for the server to identify itself as a PEP service
  226. Guus (I'm talking about the XEP-0030 kind of service discovery, by the way - not advertising stuff on the website :P )
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