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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[07:44:26] <edhelas> what is the default behavior when a JID choose to quit a MUC
[07:44:57] <edhelas> looks like most of the clients are not even waiting for the ACK, which can be quite problematic (what if the JID is still connected ?)
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[08:03:31] <jonasw> edhelas, can you clarify?
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[08:24:41] <Ge0rG> Another one bites the dust. https://mobile.twitter.com/aim/status/916290747850264577
[08:26:13] <jonasw> now, all we need is a super-elegant way to get people into the XMPP network
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[08:26:51] <jonasw> off the top of my head: set up an XMPP domain, deploy an AIM transport, let people log in with $aimidentifier@domain.example, import their roster with the @domain.example suffix.
[08:28:45] <jonasw> I am amazed by the twitter thread though
[08:28:48] <jonasw> @aim is doing good work there
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[08:38:31] <edhelas> jonasw to leave a MUC you send a presence unavailable to the MUC, some clients choose to directly say "you're disconnected from the muc"
[08:38:50] <jonasw> edhelas, yeah, I mean, what you gonna do anyways?
[08:41:39] <edhelas> wait for the ACK :)
[08:41:54] <jonasw> sure, but what if you don’t get the ACK
[08:42:12] <edhelas> that's what I'm saying
[08:42:24] <jonasw> yeah, I mean, what’s a client to do about it anyways?
[08:42:36] <jonasw> it can resend unavailable or start ignoring the messages, because the user clearly doesn’t want to be in the MUC anymore.
[08:43:09] <jonasw> why would it wait for the ACK for updating the UI if it can handle everything else under the hood without user interaction?
[08:43:09] <edhelas> what if I send a leave presence, server don't handle it, then I continue to receive messages and presences from the MUC
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[08:45:10] <jonasw> resend an unavailable presence on each presence and message from the MUC until it "gets the message" ;-)
[08:45:21] <jonasw> just like the TCP stack will send RSTs to each and every unwanted packet.
[08:45:22] <edhelas> \o/
[08:45:37] <jonasw> (or maybe send an error presence, that’d be okay too, I think)
[08:45:52] <jonasw> (or error message, depending on the received thing)
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[10:29:19] <Ge0rG> Yeah, send errors until the MUC finally kicks you out.
[10:29:33] <jonasw> RST RST RST
[10:30:16] <jonasw> Ge0rG, errors or presence unavailable?
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[10:36:05] <Ge0rG> jonasw: errors.
[10:36:21] <jonasw> mhm
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[10:45:49] <Ge0rG> jonasw: you forgot the Emoji conversion plug-in.
[10:48:34] <jonasw> context?
[10:48:52] <Ge0rG> jonasw [12:40]:
> mhm
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[10:49:24] <jonasw> Ge0rG, that’s only in pidgin, and I turned it off again because it caused interoperability issues
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[13:26:07] <Guus> an XMPP domain shouldn't be identifying PEP identities and features, should it (unlike its entity JIDs)?
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[13:36:10] <ralphm> I think an XMPP domain should totally be advertising that it supports PEP
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[13:37:11] <ralphm> Or do you think it only makes sense to ask a particular user account?
[13:38:05] <ralphm> I guess PEP is a special one out, because you'd want to find out before you create an account.
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[13:47:32] <Guus> that's what https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0163.html#support implies
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[13:48:16] <Guus> also, there's no pep feature, or is there?
[13:48:18] <Guus> just an identity
[13:48:40] <Zash> Indeed
[13:49:02] <Guus> and it feels wrong to me for the server to identify itself as a PEP service
[13:50:04] <Guus> (I'm talking about the XEP-0030 kind of service discovery, by the way - not advertising stuff on the website :P )
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