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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[08:10:07] <Flow> Drugs strike again https://github.com/redsolution/xabber-android/issues/540#issuecomment-334990411
Good thing they don't also have a bitcoin SPV wallet integrated into xabber ;)
[08:11:21] <jonasw> :-O
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[10:20:13] <Ge0rG> Maybe they can pay for not receiving spam then?
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[10:43:07] <Flow> What a novel revenue model. I approve
[10:43:35] <Flow> And probably a good idea for a april 1th XEP
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[11:15:54] <Ge0rG> Flow: not novel. And not even funny, but fact: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/this-spam-service-will-charge-25-to-stop-spamming-you/
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[12:01:48] <Flow> Ge0rG: I know, I was more thinking about the "integrated bitcoin wallet" idea, you know, improve usubablity to increase acceptance. our greatest weakness
[12:03:22] <moparisthebest> Lol doesn't want it used for drugs, then says "Oh, if you ask me, integration to send bitcoin is more essential for Xabber than OMEMO."
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[12:46:35] <Flow> moparisthebest: cmon, OMEMO is for junkies, bitcoin for potheads
[12:46:35] <Flow> Needles to say that I object the idea that OMEMO and Bitcoin are just tools for "donig illegal stuff"
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[13:04:40] <moparisthebest> Also OTR is probably better for ephemeral illegal conversations Flow
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[13:05:06] <moparisthebest> And you can use that over any chat system
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[13:18:50] <emxp> Flow, moparisthebest, moparisthebest: of course....
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[14:10:59] <Flow> Anyone wants to join a order of "OMEMO is for junkies" t-shirts? vanitasvitae maybe? ;)
[14:11:12] <vanitasvitae> Flow: i'm in!
[14:13:09] <vanitasvitae> Imagine that Nemo fish surrounded by syringes and with puke all over it.... Would make for a great shirt :D
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[14:29:24] <daniel> vanitasvitae: I want that shirt
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[14:58:06] <Ge0rG> I wonder if I should get one too, being the most vocal opponent
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[15:04:51] <Ge0rG> Flow: there is an alternative explanation for the 80% drug users... Those are all IBR spam bots advertising drugs..
[15:06:25] <daniel> My impression though is that Conversations/OMEMO is primarily used by terrorists and organized crime.
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[15:07:03] <daniel> drug addicts seems to be a very xabber specific thing
[15:07:18] <Ge0rG> Then otr is for drugs?
[15:08:07] <Ge0rG> daniel: are you still over the pond? You shouldn't be mentioning trigger words then...
[15:08:08] <daniel> Looks like it. Organized crime was a lot of pgp. Now they are switching over to omemo.
[15:08:12] <zinid> daniel: so you can target your audience more precisely
[15:09:10] <daniel> Ge0rG: I don't create the problem by talking about it
[15:09:23] <Ge0rG> I wonder if we can motivate the ФСБ to go after xsndr.
[15:09:26] <daniel> And I'm sure 'they' are very aware of that fact
[15:09:42] <Ge0rG> daniel: they are just looking for an excuse to jail you.
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[15:35:29] <pep.> daniel, do you have stats about this btw
[15:37:02] <daniel> pep.: on how many of omemo users are either terrorists or part of organized crime? No. How on earth would one collect that
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[15:37:18] <pep.> :)
[15:37:33] <Ge0rG> Maybe making a user survey. If it works for the US immigration office...
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[15:37:47] <pep.> Ge0rG, agreed, that would solve everything
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