XSF Discussion - 2017-10-10


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  3. Nathan What I tried to say was what happens when MAM is implemented to a server?
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  17. Zash Assuming there's an accompanying server-side message archive, then users can query it.
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  129. zinid guys, when pubsub#publish-options form definition will be fixed?
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  136. zinid or, if everyone is lazy doing this, where can I find definitions of every fields of pubsub#publish-options form
  137. zinid I recall Push, Persistent Storage, what else?
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  141. jonasw zinid, make a PR? ;-)
  142. zinid but I'm lazy
  143. Flow zinid: what is broken?
  144. Flow Anyway, I wonder if MIX shouldn't really be PubSub2. Persistent group chat requires PubSub at the lowest level, MIX could provide that, while additionally fixing PubSub for everyone else (while keeping the old spec around)
  145. zinid Flow: pubsub#publish-options doesn't define pubsub#persist_items defined in XEP-0223 and 'secret' (without pubsub# ???) defined in XEP-0357
  146. Flow define where? in xep60? don't we have a registry for that?
  147. zinid yes
  148. zinid in xep60
  149. zinid I have no idea what "having a registry" means
  150. zinid https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0060.html#registrar-formtypes-publish
  151. edhelas https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15437448
  152. Flow zinid, this one I think: https://xmpp.org/registrar/formtypes.html#http:--jabber.org-protocol-pubsubpublish-options
  153. zinid still not defined there ;)
  154. Flow right, PRs welcome πŸ˜‰
  155. zinid also, this registry is unusable, it doesn't define possible values of pubsub#access_model
  156. Flow zinid, it just defines the fild name, everything else is written in the defining XEP
  157. Flow field name, type and description
  158. zinid ok
  159. zinid so should be fixed both XEP-0060 definition and the registry?
  160. Flow zinid, I found persist_items in the registry. what else is missing?
  161. Flow An 'secret' from the push xep
  162. Flow Seems like 'push#secret' would be more idiomatic, also xep357 doesn't have a registry submission for that
  163. Flow If i recall correctly, Kev wanted to take of xep357
  164. Flow *take over
  165. zinid Flow: persist_items should be defined in every form where it's used, just like pubsub#access_model (it's defined in several forms)
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  167. Flow what are the other forms where persist_items is used besides node_config?
  168. zinid publish_options?
  169. zinid see XEP-0223
  170. zinid https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0223.html#store
  171. zinid example 4
  172. zinid possibly in others, dunno
  173. Flow I'm not sure if it's righ to use persist_items with publish-options
  174. Flow like access_model it appears more like a per node thing, not per item
  175. Flow could it be that ex1 in xep223 is wrong?
  176. jonasw Flow, no, that was discusesd on the ML
  177. Flow jonasw, ahh, must have missed that, do you have a pointer?
  178. jonasw nobody objected to the interpretation that <publish-options/> is a precondition
  179. jonasw will do
  180. Flow ahh, it's used as precondition
  181. Flow then it probably makes sense that it doesn't appear in publish-options's registry
  182. Flow now I remember that there was a discussion around that
  183. Flow ahh and xep60 reads like preconditions must also be registered
  184. zinid everything should be registered, even if XEP doesn't say that
  185. zinid because this form definition can be used by automatic validation (I do this in ejabberd)
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  187. jonasw still looking for the discussion, hang on
  188. Flow jonasw, no worries, I think it was daniel who brought it up
  189. Guus any French people around?
  190. jonasw Flow, https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2017-May/032631.html
  191. jonasw got it
  192. mimi89999 Moi
  193. jonasw yes, preconditions must be registered to define the meaning of the precondition
  194. Guus in a certificate, what's the most appropriate value for "state or Province Name" for Paris?
  195. Flow Guus: does anyone care about the value of that field?
  196. Guus Île-de-France? Nothing?
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  198. mimi89999 Keep that empty. Nobody cares.
  199. Guus Flow: I don't want to find out, which is why I'm asking for the most appropriate value :)
  200. Guus kk
  201. mimi89999 But probably it is that... See other certs...
  202. mimi89999 The one of OVH...
  203. Guus (I don't know of any other certs)
  204. Guus oh, paris probably has a website...
  205. jonasw this is how the gandi.net certificate looks: CN = www.gandi.net OU = COMODO EV SSL OU = Ops O = Gandi SAS Object Identifier (2 5 4 9) = 63-65 Boulevard Massena L = Paris ST = Paris Object Identifier (2 5 4 17) = 75013 C = FR Object Identifier (2 5 4 15) = Private Organization Object Identifier (1 3 6 1 4 1 311 60 2 1 3) = FR Object Identifier (2 5 4 5) = 423 093 459 00042
  206. jonasw so apparently it’s simply "Paris"?
  207. mimi89999 Lol
  208. Guus thanks guys :)
  209. mimi89999 Certbot keeps that empty. Really nobody cares.
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  211. zinid Flow: whatever, I generate code from this form now: https://github.com/processone/xmpp/blob/master/specs/pubsub_publish_options.xdata
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  213. zinid secret without prefix 'pubsub#' looks odd though
  214. Flow I think 'push#secret' would be more to the point
  215. jonasw I agree
  216. Flow zinid, would be greate if you did an PR for the registry too
  217. zinid can we change the filed name?
  218. Flow https://github.com/xsf/registrar
  219. Flow zinid: Not without a namespace bump I fear
  220. zinid then let's don't do this
  221. zinid we have the same in some MUC forms, this is not a major problem
  222. jonasw we should have errata sections in XEPs where we can note things for the next Namespace bump
  223. jonasw re registrar: I bet that stuff is currently not updated on the website
  224. Flow jonasw, I once started https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/XEP_and_RFC_Remarks
  225. jonasw yeah, nobody will look there when preparing a PR against a xep :)
  226. Ge0rG jonasw [09:56]: > we should have errata sections in XEPs where we can note things for the next Namespace bump There used to be wiki pages for each xep containing that information
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  232. Guus Who's going to be at the GSoC menter summit this weekend? Arc, Daniel, Edwin and me - anyone else?
  233. Guus we should meet up. I'll at least bring some stickers :)
  234. Guus Edwin and me are in the Sheraton
  235. mimi89999 Guus: Bring stickers *to* XMPP.
  236. Guus ?
  237. intosi Guus: +1 on the stickers.
  238. mimi89999 > I'll at least bring some stickers :) πŸ˜‰
  239. mimi89999 The requests for adding stickers...
  240. intosi mimi89999: ah.
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  242. Guus Please note that my two-year-old kept me up all night, and I'm very likely to miss puns, sarcasm, and any other subtilities today.
  243. mimi89999 Guus: Take some sleep then...
  244. Guus mimi89999: customers, deadlines.
  245. Guus my wife is actually very jealous of me going to the GSoC meeting. Not because of the trip, but because of the four days of hotel stay without the kids :)
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  248. Guus four nights of uninterrupted sleep... sheer bliss.
  249. intosi Four nights of fighting jetlag ;)
  250. Guus intosi: that probably sets in only after I return
  251. mimi89999 2x no sleep...
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  253. intosi I'm usually much better going west to east than the other way around. Getting up early is easy, sleeping in is something I'm terrible at.
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  256. Guus I'll find out in a couple of days
  257. Guus oh, at least 4 guys from Jitsi will be there too
  258. Guus they're in the other hotel though
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  285. Flow Guus: If you meet Ingo, then please say hello from me
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  290. Guus Flow: not sure if he'll be there. by-the-by: the Jitsi guys all but finished merging all of his Smack 3->4 miration work.
  291. Flow \o/
  292. Guus it was a lot of work on Ingo's part, but the merge itself was relatively painless, from what I understand. There was one issue with certificate acepptance that they quickly resolved.
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  294. Flow not that it matters: but it appears to be not yet merged: https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi/tree/smack4-2
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  299. Guus that's the desktop app I think? I think they were referring to their backend stuff.
  300. Flow ahh, k, great
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