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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[07:37:44] <Link Mauve> There is this goldtransfer guy who’s still coming on jabber@conference.jabber.org after having spammed the room, could someone with enough rights ban him (if possible from the entire service)?
[07:37:55] <Link Mauve> I’m only administrator of this room, so I have no power here.
[07:39:06] <Guus> I'm not sure who's maintaining that server, sorry
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[07:39:58] <Link Mauve> Me neither, so I hope sending a message here will reach them.
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[11:34:40] <moparisthebest> postmaster@jabber.org ?
[11:35:03] <moparisthebest> Xmpp doesn't have well defined addresses like that does it
[11:35:41] <Zash> It does, actually. xmpp@
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[11:36:41] <moparisthebest> Hmm did not know, do servers implement that
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[11:37:15] <Zash> Do servers implement a standard mail box?
[11:38:04] <Zash> moparisthebest: https://xmpp.org/rfcs/rfc6120.html#contact
[11:39:07] <Zash> In XMPP itself there's {xep 0157}
[11:39:08] <Bunneh> Zash: XEP-0157: Contact Addresses for XMPP Services (Informational, Active, 2007-01-31)
See: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0157.html
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[11:43:01] <Guus> will add that to Openfire
[11:43:12] <Guus> we record that stuff, but don't expose it
[11:44:00] <Zash> That one ought to be strongly recommended for public/open services
[11:46:33] <Link Mauve> It should be enabled by default in Prosody imo.
[11:47:04] <Zash> Is it not?
[11:47:10] <Link Mauve> It’s commented out by default. :/
[11:47:21] <Zash> I don't think it should be enabled by default for random personal servers
[11:47:52] <Link Mauve> Random personal servers which don’t want to publish that should be the ones that should be configured to disable it.
[11:48:33] <Zash> Why?
[11:49:02] <Link Mauve> Because most deployments will not change the defaults, which makes the whole network unable to contact their admins.
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[11:50:14] <Link Mauve> When I disabled unencrypted s2s, I tried to contact all of the servers’ admins about that move, and out of some 31 I could only find the contacts details of 5, and only one answered.
[11:50:41] <Link Mauve> (They answered that nothing in the RFC forced them to support TLS, so it was our choice to break s2s with them.)
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[11:56:10] <Ge0rG> I think we should mandate a contact mailbox for IBR servers and servers with other public registration mechanisms.
[11:56:12] <Zash> As a server dev, I much prefer if privacy decisions are taken by the admins.
[11:56:24] <zinid> Zash: +1
[11:57:14] <Zash> It could be changed to look at if IBR is enabled or not
[11:57:41] <Zash> Currently, if enabled but not explicitly configured, it'll advertise the JIDs of configured admins
[11:58:32] <Ge0rG> Zash: what about making IBR depend on a flag that enables publication of admin JIDs?
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[11:59:05] <Ge0rG> Should have pushed that into 0.10... 😕
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[20:38:38] <moparisthebest> Zash: couldn't prosody just forward messages to xmpp@domain to the server admin(s) by default?
[20:38:55] <moparisthebest> Seems like it wouldn't be a privacy problem
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[20:40:04] <moparisthebest> Oh I see, discovery, yuck
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[20:41:15] <moparisthebest> So a server plugin could autogenerate those and forward them to admin
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[23:25:15] <Arc> if you're operating a mailserver, you're under no obligation to receive or deliver email, even if the other host is in full compliance
[23:25:53] <Arc> many mailservers require cryptographic and anti-spam measures in order to accept, Google's especially
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