XSF Discussion - 2017-11-01

dwd, FYI, your contact info should be fixed

jonasw, Thanks!

Kev: The <unread/> thing in bind2 won't work for MUC right? The idea is to wait for MIX?

Or won't it work with MIX MAM either?

Open question how best to sort out that interaction.

But it's certainly my intention to make it work.

I see.

Let me guess…although the UK's clocks have changed back to GMT, there's something different in the US/Europe and I'm an hour early for the Board meeting?

oh, that's entirely possible

I was waiting for the board meeting to happen as well

in US they switch on the 5th

D'oh

but then again ... Arc is the only one that's still in DST I think?

and people laugh when I say everything shall be scheduled in UTC!!k

let us check our handy calendar

ah, the board meeting was an hour ago :)

lovely

Doesn't look like much happened an hour ago, though, ironically, that's a much better time for me!

Yeah, so basically, only Arc is late, and the rest of the board neglected to account for the DST change? :D

timezones!!

a recurring theme.

recurring exactly 2 times a year :)

4

EU-to-DST, US-to-DST, EU-from-DST, US-from-DST

Did anyone ever successfully schedule a meeting across timezones during DST switchover?

people in Iceland?

(which is always at UTC, doesn't do DST afaik)

timezones/DST etc is awful now, imagine when people live on mars and converting time for that :/

I need to move to Iceland.

there's a private info 3-people-use-the-same-server leak :)

SamWhited: awesome idea to rename compliance suite to 2018! I'd comment on list but my infrastructure had a power failure and I can't yet send mail.

Ge0rG: Thanks, I was planning on trying to push new ones through really quick but I just realized that we're so close anyways I might as well just rename the current ones since the recommendations aren't likely to change.

SamWhited, +1

Also, every time people ask me "why don't you run your own email?" I'm going to start quoting Ge0rG :)

SamWhited: hey, I have a fallback server, but it's too cumbersome to set it up on my mobile. And the power failure happened while I was on holiday 300km away. It also ruined most of the fridge content, so the MTA doesn't have priority

Ge0rG: You are giving me further material to quote when people ask

SamWhited: okay, I shut up now.

heh, but yah, this is why I don't host my own email.

like 'cloud' doesn't go down too?

I'm also a paranoid freak running it on real physical hardware in a place with limited access to third parties.

I recall not too long ago half the web being broken because an amazon engineer fat fingered a command, while my services worked fine :)

moparisthebest: "cloud" is just other people's computers...

exactly

No one ever said it never went down, but most cloud providers have SLAs that have to be met. I never had gmail go down in many years of using them, and so far haven't had FastMail go down (though I'm told they have slightly fewer 9's of uptime)

Ge0rG has an SLA too, he gets it back up as soon as he wants to :)

In some ten years I’ve hosted my emails, I haven’t had a single time I couldn’t use it.

Email at least retries, so there's not that much of an hurry

Yeah.

But if I was on another network while that happened and I absolutely needed to send an email right now, I could just ssh into my secondary and send it from there.

I could send it as well, in theory. I just prefer to do more useful things right now than working around the failure.

SamWhited: typical cloud SLAs are worthless. They guarantee something like 99.5% availability per month, but the only thing you get if they stay down longer is a fraction of your service fee. That doesn't work for businesses and they don't go down for so long often anyway

They still try to hit them, and I would be willing to bet money FastMail goes down less than what would happen if I hosted myself

SamWhited: probably so, because most redundancy and recovery mechanisms profit from scale

I don't have the original messages for the Last Calls for 286, 313, 387, or 352 in my mailbox. I don't (knowingly) filter or delete mail. I'll investigate futher, but I wonder if that might explain the paucity of comments?

Maybe the DKIM?

I don’t validate that.

hmm yes jonasw 's DKIM failed

dkim=fail reason="key not found in DNS" (0-bit key) header.d=wielicki.name header.i=@wielicki.name header.b=auTm/D1f

Not that you mention it, I think I'm missing some of the originals too (assuming the extension emails were all sent in response to the originals, it only threaded properly on some of them)

and by "some of them" I mean "MAM"

including failing DKIM sigs will cause it to get spammed most places

rightly

Right... So quite possibly people have spam-trapped them. Might be worth resending (from XSF Editor address, perhaps)?

And this is why I run my own email infrastructure

I never could figure out how to send from the xsf editor address; is that possible?

This is why I don't run my own email infrastructure…

(again)

SamWhited, I run my own email infrastructure, I just don't use it.

This is why I don't do DKIM

google doesn't flag your mail as spam?

they were the only reason i set it up, but when you house half of the world's email...

I don't remember DKIM becoming mandatory

Surely they'll flag my email as spam regardless

Me neither. I have SPF and TLS and Google is happy

oh also if you don't have DKIM it's more likely to be spam

DKIM is one of those de-facto mandatory things email has

I think it's mandatory to have matching RDNS, then DKIM+SPF+DMARC if you want good delivery

Never set that up, never got my email flagged as spam AFAIK.

Neither DMARC.

DMARC might not be, it's just a way to get feedback

I don't have matching RDNS.

Or, what does that even mean?

I don't expect you can send any mail at all without matching reverse DNS

most mail servers reject your connection right away

There's RDNS, but it points to a series of CNAMEs that point back to my IP, and I'm having no problems.

not really sure but I'd think as long as it points back to your IP it'd be fine