Thursday, November 02, 2017
xsf@muc.xmpp.org
November
Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat Sun
    1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
26
27
28
29
30
     
             
XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

[00:04:52] *** lskdjf has left the room
[00:08:58] *** sonny has left the room
[00:09:05] *** sonny has joined the room
[00:13:50] *** bjc shows as "online"
[00:14:04] *** bjc shows as "away" and his status message is "Away"
[00:17:02] *** lumi has left the room
[00:18:24] *** xnyhps shows as "away" and his status message is "Away"
[00:19:20] *** SamWhited has left the room
[00:25:51] *** matlag has left the room
[00:26:43] *** arc has left the room
[00:26:44] *** arc has joined the room
[00:28:18] *** bjc has left the room
[00:28:18] *** bjc has joined the room
[00:39:55] *** arc has left the room
[00:44:05] *** arc has joined the room
[00:53:10] *** moparisthebest shows as "online"
[00:53:30] *** la|r|ma has left the room
[00:55:57] *** Steve Kille has left the room
[00:56:14] *** Steve Kille shows as "online"
[00:56:19] *** Steve Kille shows as "online"
[01:04:15] *** efrit has left the room
[01:16:05] *** Zash has left the room
[01:21:07] *** jjrh has left the room
[01:21:12] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[01:26:47] *** arc has left the room
[01:26:47] *** arc has joined the room
[01:28:54] *** jere has left the room
[01:29:00] *** jere has joined the room
[01:29:28] *** Holger shows as "online" and his status message is "I'm available"
[01:31:50] *** arc has left the room
[01:32:00] *** arc has joined the room
[01:37:14] *** peter has joined the room
[01:38:05] *** bjc shows as "online"
[01:43:39] *** la|r|ma shows as "online"
[01:44:03] *** la|r|ma shows as "online"
[01:48:27] *** bjc shows as "away" and his status message is "Away"
[01:48:27] *** bjc shows as "online"
[01:50:35] *** Holger shows as "away" and his status message is "Auto-away (idle)"
[01:54:17] *** Guus has left the room
[01:54:28] *** tux has left the room
[01:54:30] *** tux has joined the room
[01:54:54] *** arc has left the room
[01:54:55] *** arc has joined the room
[02:01:09] *** arc has left the room
[02:01:10] *** arc has joined the room
[02:03:12] *** Guus shows as "online"
[02:11:13] *** matlag shows as "online"
[02:19:21] *** Valerian has left the room
[02:29:11] *** Guus has left the room
[02:30:08] *** Guus shows as "online"
[02:32:09] *** Valerian has joined the room
[02:32:41] *** arc has left the room
[02:32:42] *** arc has joined the room
[02:33:50] *** bjc shows as "online"
[02:33:52] *** arc has left the room
[02:33:54] *** bjc shows as "online"
[02:39:07] *** arc has joined the room
[02:44:28] *** jere has left the room
[02:44:35] *** jere has joined the room
[02:45:58] *** Valerian shows as "online"
[02:47:19] *** arc has left the room
[02:47:20] *** arc has joined the room
[02:53:29] *** arc has left the room
[02:53:30] *** arc has joined the room
[02:53:49] *** Valerian shows as "online"
[02:53:49] *** Valerian has left the room
[02:55:32] *** Valerian has joined the room
[02:55:46] *** Valerian has left the room
[03:00:03] *** bjc shows as "online"
[03:01:55] *** Ge0rG has left the room
[03:01:55] *** Ge0rG has joined the room
[03:05:05] *** Guus has left the room
[03:06:53] *** Guus shows as "online"
[03:07:02] *** Guus has left the room
[03:09:42] *** Guus shows as "online"
[03:10:02] *** bjc shows as "away" and his status message is "Away"
[03:11:02] *** peter has left the room
[03:12:07] *** Guus has left the room
[03:16:58] *** moparisthebest has left the room
[03:16:58] *** moparisthebest has left the room
[03:17:17] *** moparisthebest has joined the room
[03:17:19] *** moparisthebest shows as "online"
[03:17:56] *** SamWhited shows as "online"
[03:18:39] *** moparisthebest has left the room
[03:19:14] *** moparisthebest shows as "online"
[03:52:11] *** moparisthebest has left the room
[03:55:57] *** uc has joined the room
[03:56:28] *** moparisthebest shows as "online"
[03:57:38] *** la|r|ma has joined the room
[04:13:19] *** nyco has left the room
[04:13:23] *** nyco has joined the room
[04:21:27] *** Guus shows as "online"
[04:25:30] *** Guus has left the room
[04:32:22] *** Guus shows as "online"
[04:32:23] *** Guus has left the room
[04:33:53] *** SamWhited has left the room
[04:50:19] *** Guus has left the room
[04:50:25] *** Guus has joined the room
[04:50:35] *** Guus shows as "online"
[04:54:56] *** Guus has left the room
[04:56:08] *** Guus shows as "online"
[04:56:51] *** Guus has left the room
[04:59:21] *** SouL shows as "online"
[05:03:50] *** Guus has left the room
[05:05:59] *** Guus has joined the room
[05:06:21] *** Alacer has joined the room
[05:06:22] *** Alacer shows as "online"
[05:06:37] *** Alacer has left the room
[05:09:27] *** uc has left the room
[05:09:42] *** uc has joined the room
[05:14:45] *** arc has left the room
[05:14:46] *** arc has joined the room
[05:23:16] *** arc has left the room
[05:23:23] *** arc has joined the room
[05:38:22] *** Guus has left the room
[05:40:22] *** Guus has joined the room
[05:40:50] *** daniel has left the room
[05:40:52] *** Guus has left the room
[05:40:55] *** daniel has joined the room
[05:43:31] *** arc has left the room
[05:43:32] *** arc has joined the room
[05:43:46] *** arc has left the room
[05:44:02] *** arc has joined the room
[05:55:50] *** @Alacer has left the room
[05:57:32] *** @Alacer has joined the room
[06:00:16] *** arc has left the room
[06:00:19] *** arc has joined the room
[06:08:01] *** arc has left the room
[06:08:02] *** arc has joined the room
[06:30:05] *** zinid shows as "dnd"
[06:30:48] *** Guus has joined the room
[06:52:26] *** dwd shows as "online"
[06:55:02] *** Guus has left the room
[06:56:46] *** @Alacer has left the room
[06:57:03] *** Guus has joined the room
[06:57:34] *** Guus has left the room
[06:58:06] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[06:58:15] *** daniel has left the room
[06:58:20] *** daniel has joined the room
[06:58:49] *** Guus has joined the room
[07:00:23] *** @Alacer has joined the room
[07:01:55] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[07:01:57] *** ralphm has left the room
[07:02:16] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[07:02:51] *** ralphm has left the room
[07:16:04] *** dwd shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[07:18:26] *** thomas_ shows as "online"
[07:19:59] *** zinid has left the room
[07:20:02] *** zinid shows as "online"
[07:22:09] *** jubalh has joined the room
[07:24:09] *** Ge0rG shows as "online"
[07:24:36] *** dwd shows as "online"
[07:26:28] *** intosi has joined the room
[07:26:35] *** intosi shows as "online"
[07:27:49] *** Kev shows as "online"
[07:28:15] *** jonasw shows as "online"
[07:28:37] <jonasw> moparisthebest, huh
[07:28:40] <jonasw> thanks for the hint
[07:29:03] <jonasw> moparisthebest, I always only saw DKIM_INVALID but I assumed that’s the mailing lists fault
[07:30:21] <jonasw> moparisthebest, even though, I can find the key in the DNS without issues?
[07:30:58] *** dwd shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[07:36:47] *** zinid has left the room
[07:36:49] *** zinid shows as "online"
[07:37:32] *** Steve Kille shows as "online" and his status message is "At Home"
[07:37:33] *** Guus has left the room
[07:38:52] *** Guus has joined the room
[07:40:58] *** dwd shows as "xa" and his status message is " (Not available as a result of being idle more than 15 min)"
[07:41:24] *** Steve Kille has left the room
[07:43:47] *** edhelas has left the room
[07:44:11] *** Steve Kille shows as "online" and his status message is "At Home"
[07:44:16] *** Steve Kille shows as "online" and his status message is "At Home"
[07:44:20] *** edhelas has joined the room
[07:45:48] *** Steve Kille has left the room
[07:46:15] *** Steve Kille has left the room
[07:46:18] *** Steve Kille has joined the room
[07:46:23] *** Steve Kille shows as "online"
[07:50:02] *** Guus has left the room
[07:50:33] *** jcbrand has joined the room
[07:54:53] *** Steve Kille shows as "online" and his status message is "At Home"
[07:55:00] *** Steve Kille shows as "online" and his status message is "At Home"
[07:55:33] *** Steve Kille shows as "online"
[07:55:52] *** Steve Kille shows as "online"
[07:56:13] *** Steve Kille has left the room
[07:57:14] *** Guus has joined the room
[07:58:11] *** Steve Kille has left the room
[07:58:44] *** Steve Kille shows as "online"
[07:58:46] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[07:58:48] *** Steve Kille shows as "online"
[08:09:37] *** xnyhps shows as "away" and his status message is "Away"
[08:16:07] *** Steve Kille shows as "away" and his status message is "At Home"
[08:18:14] *** daniel shows as "online"
[08:19:36] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[08:22:56] *** daniel has left the room
[08:23:06] *** daniel shows as "online"
[08:23:13] *** jubalh has joined the room
[08:26:12] *** dwd shows as "online"
[08:26:52] <dwd> jonasw, DKIM doesn't really work with mailing lists. It only works if all you do is 1:1 mail.
[08:28:12] <jonasw> dwd, I am aware of that.
[08:28:24] <jonasw> it’s not that I *want* to do DKIM.
[08:31:44] *** Steve Kille shows as "online" and his status message is "At Home"
[08:32:52] *** nyco has left the room
[08:38:14] *** nyco has joined the room
[08:40:07] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[08:40:57] *** goffi has joined the room
[08:43:16] *** ralphm shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[08:47:06] *** jubalh shows as "online"
[08:47:08] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[08:50:28] *** Guus has left the room
[08:50:36] *** Steve Kille has left the room
[08:51:10] *** Steve Kille shows as "online"
[08:51:14] *** Steve Kille shows as "online"
[08:53:27] *** Steve Kille shows as "online"
[08:53:35] *** Steve Kille shows as "online"
[08:53:36] *** Guus has joined the room
[08:55:47] *** Steve Kille has left the room
[09:02:49] *** Steve Kille has left the room
[09:07:34] *** Steve Kille shows as "online" and his status message is "At Home"
[09:07:35] *** Steve Kille shows as "online" and his status message is "At Home"
[09:08:05] *** Guus has left the room
[09:08:19] *** Steve Kille shows as "online" and his status message is "Hampton"
[09:09:45] *** Guus has joined the room
[09:10:19] *** Steve Kille has left the room
[09:11:46] *** efrit has joined the room
[09:12:35] *** Martin has joined the room
[09:12:37] *** Guus has left the room
[09:13:29] *** Guus has joined the room
[09:14:17] *** Guus has left the room
[09:14:24] *** Guus has joined the room
[09:14:35] *** tux shows as "dnd" and his status message is "Work work …"
[09:15:57] <Ge0rG> Only three days remaining for Council and Board candidates. Wow.
[09:16:20] *** ralphm shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 15 min)"
[09:16:22] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[09:16:59] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[09:16:59] *** sonny has left the room
[09:17:05] *** sonny has joined the room
[09:17:55] *** ralphm has left the room
[09:18:15] *** sonny has left the room
[09:18:22] *** sonny has joined the room
[09:19:37] *** sonny has left the room
[09:19:43] *** sonny has joined the room
[09:26:58] *** Guus has left the room
[09:27:01] *** Guus has joined the room
[09:28:43] *** Guus has left the room
[09:28:46] *** Guus has joined the room
[09:33:03] *** valo has joined the room
[09:37:39] *** Steve Kille shows as "away" and his status message is "Hampton"
[09:39:28] *** MattJ shows as "online"
[09:41:18] *** zinid has left the room
[09:41:21] *** zinid shows as "online"
[09:41:51] <jonasw> I might roll back DKIM. It doesn’t seem to have helped with delivery to google or anyone anyways.
[09:41:59] <jonasw> and it only casues damage
[09:42:35] *** efrit has left the room
[09:44:31] <goffi> I'm wondering about the MAM last call, do we have implementations of MAM for Pubsub? At least one we made for SàT Pubsub, but any other one?
[09:45:08] <dwd> goffi, Not that I know of. And our on MIX is out of date, since it needs the pointless id added.
[09:45:38] <goffi> is not needed to have 2 implementations to do a last call on MAM then?
[09:46:18] <goffi> actually the one on SàT Pubsub may be outdated to.
[09:46:37] *** zinid shows as "online"
[09:46:39] <dwd> goffi, That's Final, not Draft, isn't it?
[09:46:45] *** jubalh shows as "online"
[09:46:49] <goffi> ah maybe
[09:47:50] *** tim@boese-ban.de has joined the room
[09:48:02] *** Kev shows as "away"
[09:48:02] *** Kev shows as "away"
[09:48:31] *** Kev shows as "online"
[09:48:32] *** Kev shows as "online"
[09:48:51] *** Guus has left the room
[09:48:56] *** Guus has joined the room
[09:49:32] *** Steve Kille shows as "online" and his status message is "Hampton"
[09:53:25] *** tux shows as "away"
[09:58:26] *** Kev has left the room
[09:58:51] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[09:59:56] *** daniel has left the room
[09:59:59] *** daniel shows as "online"
[10:00:52] *** Kev has left the room
[10:01:38] *** thomas_ has left the room
[10:02:23] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[10:03:02] *** MattJ shows as "away"
[10:08:24] *** thomas_ shows as "online"
[10:09:46] *** mimi89999 has left the room
[10:09:53] *** mimi89999 shows as "online"
[10:09:57] *** mimi89999 shows as "online"
[10:10:00] *** mimi89999 shows as "online"
[10:10:01] *** mimi89999 shows as "online"
[10:10:02] *** mimi89999 shows as "online"
[10:10:03] *** mimi89999 shows as "online"
[10:10:04] *** mimi89999 shows as "online"
[10:10:05] *** mimi89999 shows as "online"
[10:10:06] *** mimi89999 shows as "online"
[10:10:07] *** mimi89999 shows as "online"
[10:10:08] *** mimi89999 shows as "online"
[10:10:08] *** mimi89999 shows as "online"
[10:10:08] *** mimi89999 shows as "online"
[10:10:08] *** mimi89999 shows as "online"
[10:10:17] *** valo has joined the room
[10:10:33] *** jonasw shows as "away"
[10:11:48] *** zinid has left the room
[10:12:25] *** ralphm shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[10:12:36] *** zinid shows as "online"
[10:17:34] *** Guus has left the room
[10:19:32] *** Guus has joined the room
[10:20:33] *** Guus has left the room
[10:20:37] *** Guus has joined the room
[10:22:08] *** Guus has left the room
[10:22:25] *** ralphm shows as "xa" and his status message is " (Not available as a result of being idle more than 15 min)"
[10:23:25] *** daniel has left the room
[10:23:30] *** Guus has joined the room
[10:23:31] *** daniel shows as "online"
[10:23:31] *** zinid has left the room
[10:23:32] *** zinid shows as "online"
[10:24:21] *** jonasw shows as "online"
[10:24:25] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[10:25:41] *** Guus has left the room
[10:25:49] *** Guus has joined the room
[10:26:31] *** la|r|ma has joined the room
[10:29:02] *** jere has joined the room
[10:31:02] *** thomas_ has left the room
[10:31:06] *** Holger shows as "online" and his status message is "I'm available"
[10:31:06] *** Holger shows as "online" and his status message is "I'm available"
[10:31:41] *** Guus has left the room
[10:31:51] *** daniel has left the room
[10:32:03] *** daniel shows as "online"
[10:32:10] *** Guus has joined the room
[10:38:37] *** thomas_ shows as "online"
[10:38:40] *** lumi has joined the room
[10:38:51] <jonasw> in retrospect, DKIM-Spam-Issues probably also explain some of the XHTML-IM discussion :/
[10:39:16] <jonasw> iteam, can we configure the ML so that it mangles DKIM-signed messages in a way which avoids incorrect signatures?
[10:39:23] <jonasw> some people don’t have a choice on whether they send DKIM signatures
[10:40:48] *** lskdjf has joined the room
[10:42:34] *** la|r|ma shows as "online"
[10:45:00] *** Guus has left the room
[10:48:30] *** Guus has joined the room
[10:48:32] *** dwd shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[10:48:52] *** Steve Kille shows as "away" and his status message is "Hampton"
[10:50:52] *** dwd shows as "online"
[10:52:51] *** bjc shows as "away" and his status message is "Away"
[10:52:51] *** bjc shows as "online"
[10:54:23] *** Steve Kille shows as "online" and his status message is "Hampton"
[10:54:57] *** tux shows as "dnd" and his status message is "Work work …"
[10:56:30] *** Martin shows as "online"
[10:58:20] *** jere has left the room
[10:58:28] *** jere has joined the room
[11:06:08] *** bjc shows as "online"
[11:06:38] *** bjc shows as "online"
[11:07:28] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[11:07:35] *** Zash shows as "online"
[11:07:37] *** Zash shows as "online"
[11:08:50] *** daniel has left the room
[11:10:38] *** ralphm shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[11:11:31] *** la|r|ma has left the room
[11:12:51] *** Steve Kille shows as "away" and his status message is "Hampton"
[11:14:54] *** daniel shows as "online"
[11:18:05] *** lumi has left the room
[11:20:21] *** Martin shows as "online"
[11:20:38] *** ralphm shows as "xa" and his status message is " (Not available as a result of being idle more than 15 min)"
[11:23:53] *** intosi shows as "online"
[11:28:02] *** Steve Kille shows as "online" and his status message is "Hampton"
[11:30:10] *** Ge0rG has left the room
[11:30:10] *** Ge0rG shows as "online"
[11:33:00] *** Guus has left the room
[11:34:33] *** Guus has joined the room
[11:36:23] *** bjc shows as "online"
[11:36:52] *** Guus has left the room
[11:38:02] *** Steve Kille shows as "away" and his status message is "Hampton"
[11:38:06] *** Guus has joined the room
[11:41:35] *** la|r|ma has left the room
[11:41:39] *** la|r|ma has joined the room
[11:45:32] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[11:46:23] *** bjc shows as "away" and his status message is "Away"
[11:47:20] *** jubalh shows as "online"
[11:47:24] *** dwd shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[11:48:34] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[11:50:08] *** jonasw shows as "away"
[11:52:24] *** jonasw shows as "online"
[11:53:08] *** jjrh has left the room
[11:53:12] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[11:53:57] *** jjrh has left the room
[11:54:00] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[11:54:26] *** jjrh has left the room
[11:54:28] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[11:54:53] *** jjrh has left the room
[11:55:12] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[11:55:16] *** MattJ shows as "online"
[11:55:20] *** jubalh shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 15 min)"
[11:57:24] *** dwd shows as "xa" and his status message is " (Not available as a result of being idle more than 15 min)"
[11:57:40] *** Ge0rG has left the room
[11:57:55] *** Ge0rG shows as "online"
[12:00:32] *** Ge0rG shows as "online"
[12:02:55] *** Steve Kille shows as "online" and his status message is "Hampton"
[12:10:21] *** jubalh shows as "xa" and his status message is " (Not available as a result of being idle more than 15 min)"
[12:11:34] *** Ge0rG has left the room
[12:11:34] *** Ge0rG shows as "online"
[12:12:28] *** moparisthebest shows as "online"
[12:14:18] *** jubalh has left the room
[12:18:52] *** Guus has left the room
[12:19:00] *** daniel has left the room
[12:20:39] <moparisthebest> jonasw, if you want to review component/protocol etc it's to a working state, pre-compiled .apk here or compile it yourself: https://github.com/moparisthebest/Conversations/releases
[12:23:27] *** Steve Kille shows as "away" and his status message is "Hampton"
[12:23:45] <jonasw> a compiled build is not really useful to review something, is it?
[12:23:54] <jonasw> I can’t into mobile development, at all
[12:26:03] <moparisthebest> it links to both the mobile code and the component
[12:27:24] *** Martin shows as "online"
[12:27:58] <moparisthebest> I think additionally the component needs to advertise in disco that it's an 'echo component' and that should be good enough
[12:28:02] <Zash> Which kind of review?
[12:28:05] <Zash> And of what?
[12:28:22] <moparisthebest> any kind and of any of it :)
[12:29:27] *** Kev shows as "away"
[12:29:51] <jonasw> moparisthebest, frankly, I’d prefer a written specfiication over having to read java code.
[12:29:55] <jonasw> but I’m at work anyways
[12:30:32] <moparisthebest> the specification is there too in the readme, such as it is https://github.com/moparisthebest/xmpp-echo-self
[12:30:55] <jonasw> ok, might take a look this evening
[12:31:03] <moparisthebest> also the entire component is 130 lines of java code including comments
[12:31:30] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[12:31:37] <moparisthebest> I wasted about 4 hours trying to get sleekxmpp or slixmpp to work for this and failed...
[12:33:09] <moparisthebest> anyway being able to seamlessly SMS through my phone from gajim is sweet, or any other xmpp client supporting carbons
[12:33:30] *** zinid shows as "online"
[12:34:19] <jonasw> I still find your (ab-)use of carbons... non-satisfactory
[12:34:25] <jonasw> this is a hack for something which deserves a proper solution.
[12:35:07] <Zash> Does this even make sense?
[12:35:09] <moparisthebest> I wouldn't call it a hack, multi-client is useless without carbons anyway, not sure why the component should be made complicated and require registration just to support use without carbons...
[12:36:22] <jonasw> it is a hack.
[12:36:22] <Zash> Transports being attached to the server is one of the very earliest design decisions in Jabber, so doing this in a non-awkward fashion will be Hard.
[12:36:52] <moparisthebest> this is one of the problems with some XMPP specs, instead of solving the simple problem simply, they attempt to solve complicated problems no one actually has yet but might have in the future in a more complicated way
[12:37:02] <jonasw> I think it makes sense to have per-user transports if the transport is linked to a hardware token owned by the user (e.g. SMS)
[12:37:07] <Zash> moparisthebest: IM is not a simple problem
[12:37:11] <Zash> It may look simple, but it's not.
[12:37:46] *** Guus has joined the room
[12:38:16] *** Guus has left the room
[12:38:32] <moparisthebest> this solves the problem of a client-side sms transport and works perfectly so it seems rather simple and it works
[12:38:45] <moparisthebest> and requires no changes to other clients or servers, most importantly
[12:38:49] <Zash> "Works" and "Hack" are not mutually exclusive.
[12:38:57] *** Alex has joined the room
[12:38:57] <Zash> Hacks usually work.
[12:39:26] <moparisthebest> why is relying on other already defined XEPs a hack?
[12:39:44] <jonasw> moparisthebest, but doesn’t it strain the server by intentionally sending messages to non-existant domains?
[12:39:46] <Zash> Making something hacky that works is a good first step, as it helps understand the problem.
[12:39:56] <moparisthebest> nothing stops anyone from making a new XEP that does complicated state management and registration to avoid carbons, it's just useless
[12:40:07] <moparisthebest> jonasw, the domain exists
[12:40:19] <jonasw> ah, the domain of the "echo" component?
[12:40:20] <moparisthebest> it's a standard xmpp domain/component
[12:40:22] <moparisthebest> yep
[12:41:48] <moparisthebest> in fact my pre-compiled apk is pointed to my component running at echo.burtrum.org and works for anyone that can federate to that
[12:42:20] <moparisthebest> this should be replaced by discovery and fallback to a hard-coded component, eventually
[12:42:41] <Zash> Eh, is it wise to publish a thing that would leak all your SMSes to you?
[12:43:09] <moparisthebest> as a super alpha with a warning about it? sure
[12:44:31] *** Guus has joined the room
[12:45:55] <jonasw> Zash, is it wise to install a random apk from a random persons github page? ;-)
[12:46:33] <moparisthebest> I wouldn't, I'd compile it myself pointed to my own echo server instance :)
[12:47:26] *** intosi shows as "online"
[12:47:38] <moparisthebest> I also just found out about this today: https://github.com/SilenceIM/Silence/pull/390 the SMS app is planning on adding a transport-over-xmpp option hehe
[12:48:37] <Zash> yetanothermessengerapp
[12:50:20] <Link Mauve> moparisthebest, what kind of issue did you have with slixmpp?
[12:50:29] <Link Mauve> Did you start from the echo_component example?
[12:53:42] <moparisthebest> yes Link Mauve it alternatively would return strings or parsed element structures but I could never get them back into a Message that I could .send etc, my 3 failed attempts are here: https://github.com/moparisthebest/xmpp-echo-self/tree/master/failed_python_attempts
[12:54:24] *** Guus has left the room
[12:55:11] *** bjc shows as "away" and his status message is "Away"
[12:55:11] *** bjc shows as "online"
[12:55:49] *** jjrh has left the room
[12:58:19] *** Guus has joined the room
[12:58:37] <Link Mauve> Strings or parsed element structures?
[12:59:30] *** valo has joined the room
[12:59:35] *** Guus has left the room
[13:00:15] <moparisthebest> so depending what I tried the <message> in the <forwarded> block would either be an Element or just a string
[13:00:19] <Link Mauve> Some of your code reads like it should work.
[13:00:38] *** ThurahT shows as "away"
[13:00:42] *** ThurahT shows as "online"
[13:00:52] <Link Mauve> moparisthebest, you need to load the xep_0297 plugin in order to get a Message, probably.
[13:01:51] *** Guus has joined the room
[13:02:41] <moparisthebest> Link Mauve, yea I did that too check xmpp-echo-self.forward.py
[13:03:10] *** Holger shows as "online"
[13:04:08] <moparisthebest> xmpp-echo-self.py doesn't use forward and works with sleekxmpp but not slixmpp, but then I decided to go with forwards anyhow
[13:04:21] *** Holger has left the room
[13:05:59] <Link Mauve> moparisthebest, the usual way is:
[13:06:35] <Link Mauve> forwarded_message = msg['forwarded']['stanza']
forwarded_message['to'] = your_user
forwarded_message.send()
[13:06:41] *** ThurahT shows as "away"
[13:06:46] *** ThurahT shows as "away"
[13:07:22] *** dwd shows as "online"
[13:07:28] <Link Mauve> From what I understand you want to do.
[13:09:20] *** Kev shows as "online"
[13:10:17] <moparisthebest> Link Mauve, yea so sometimes I'd get an error on forwarded_message['to'] = your_user like 'str does not support .attr()' and sometimes I'd get an error on forwarded_message.send() like 'Element does not have .send() method'
[13:10:37] <Link Mauve> moparisthebest, that’s if you don’t have the plugin loaded.
[13:10:53] <Link Mauve> (Yes, slixmpp defaults to '' for unknown attributes…)
[13:10:57] <Link Mauve> (Yes, I hate it.)
[13:11:23] <Link Mauve> (And my branch changing that broke a ton of code in poezio alone, so I didn’t try to go forward.)
[13:11:38] <Link Mauve> (I want to test aioxmpp, if it managed to be less non-typed than slixmpp.)
[13:11:47] <Link Mauve> (But what I want the most, is a proper Rust library.)
[13:12:28] <Link Mauve> (xmpp-parsers is based on the opposite idea from slixmpp’s, types are good and you should use them, always.)
[13:12:39] *** Alex has left the room
[13:12:44] *** Kev shows as "online"
[13:12:52] <Link Mauve> (But it only parses and serialises stanzas and payloads, it isn’t an XMPP library per se.)
[13:12:53] *** Kev shows as "online"
[13:13:10] <jonasw> Link Mauve, aioxmpp is rather strongly typed
[13:13:13] <jonasw> :-)
[13:13:33] <Link Mauve> I should try to move poezio to it, someday.
[13:14:14] <jonasw> sounds like a plan ;-)
[13:15:43] *** lumi has joined the room
[13:16:21] *** Guus has left the room
[13:17:55] *** bjc has left the room
[13:18:29] *** Guus has joined the room
[13:18:46] <moparisthebest> yes Link Mauve completely agree I wanted to do it in rust but not quite there yet :)
[13:19:15] <moparisthebest> anyway I spent a solid 4 hours trying different things with sleek and then slix then gave up so meh...
[13:19:57] <moparisthebest> would have tried aioxmpp but jonasw said no component support yet
[13:21:46] *** Holger shows as "online"
[13:21:47] *** Holger has left the room
[13:21:54] *** Kev shows as "away"
[13:21:58] <jonasw> I didn’t say "yet" ;-)
[13:22:04] *** Holger shows as "online"
[13:22:04] *** Holger has left the room
[13:22:23] <moparisthebest> sorry sorry :P
[13:22:30] *** Holger shows as "online"
[13:22:30] *** Holger has left the room
[13:22:59] <Link Mauve> moparisthebest, both xmpp and tokio-xmpp support components, fyi.
[13:23:01] <moparisthebest> anyway Guus whack is nice and simple, typed but also super easy to just grab / manipulate XML directly, I like it :)
[13:23:12] <Link Mauve> I personally added that. :)
[13:23:31] *** Guus has left the room
[13:23:34] *** Guus has joined the room
[13:24:15] <Link Mauve> The only constraint is that you can’t use both a client and a component when you import them in your project, it’s a feature which toggles the component or client thing.
[13:24:32] *** Guus has left the room
[13:24:34] *** Guus has joined the room
[13:24:55] <moparisthebest> still need a new version of xmpp released though, current doesn't compile with stable rust, had to use git for my client thing
[13:25:56] *** Valerian has joined the room
[13:25:56] *** Guus has left the room
[13:25:58] *** Guus has joined the room
[13:27:10] <Guus> Wait what?
[13:27:18] *** Steve Kille shows as "online" and his status message is "Hampton"
[13:27:18] <Guus> Someone mentioned me?
[13:28:26] <moparisthebest> yep, whack compliment
[13:29:01] <Guus> Yey!
[13:29:15] <Guus> Didn't work on that for ages though 😀
[13:29:29] <Guus> Also mostly code from Jive
[13:30:46] *** Guus has left the room
[13:32:16] *** ralphm shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[13:33:30] <moparisthebest> everything doesn't need to be developed for latest node.js in the last week to be good :)
[13:34:53] *** Guus has joined the room
[13:36:51] <Guus> Happy to hear it's helpful for you.
[13:37:35] <dwd> moparisthebest, You're still developing on last week's node.js? Luddite.
[13:38:13] *** jubalh shows as "online"
[13:38:35] <Ge0rG> My node.js is from last month!
[13:39:40] <Ge0rG> Okay, that was a lie. My node.js is 4.4.7 LTS, which is from mid-2016.
[13:40:32] <moparisthebest> wow that's like 6 versions behind
[13:40:36] <moparisthebest> 8 is LTS now
[13:42:16] *** ralphm shows as "xa" and his status message is " (Not available as a result of being idle more than 15 min)"
[13:43:17] <Link Mauve> I had an update to 9.0 like yesterday, you’re all so out of date…
[13:43:34] *** valo has joined the room
[13:44:08] <moparisthebest> node has to be the only software where LTS means like "ok I guess we'll support this version for 3 months"
[13:44:14] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[13:44:19] <Zash> lolwut
[13:48:21] *** daniel has left the room
[13:48:28] *** daniel has joined the room
[13:49:36] *** ralphm shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[13:50:28] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[13:51:11] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[13:52:12] *** Martin shows as "online"
[13:55:48] *** Holger shows as "away" and his status message is "Auto-away (idle)"
[13:58:19] *** Alex has joined the room
[13:58:55] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[14:00:33] *** Alex has left the room
[14:01:11] *** Martin shows as "online"
[14:03:03] *** Alex has joined the room
[14:04:17] *** lskdjf shows as "online"
[14:05:55] *** jere has left the room
[14:06:01] *** jere has joined the room
[14:10:40] *** Holger shows as "online" and his status message is "I'm available"
[14:10:57] *** Kev shows as "online"
[14:11:49] *** lumi shows as "away" and his status message is "(Idle 10 min)"
[14:12:08] *** Steve Kille shows as "online"
[14:12:15] *** Steve Kille shows as "online"
[14:13:40] *** edhelas has left the room
[14:15:52] *** Guus has left the room
[14:18:02] *** Steve Kille has left the room
[14:18:04] *** Guus has joined the room
[14:19:44] *** lovetox has joined the room
[14:21:41] *** lumi shows as "online"
[14:22:04] *** Kev shows as "away"
[14:22:29] *** arc has left the room
[14:22:40] *** arc has joined the room
[14:23:09] *** Guus has left the room
[14:25:40] *** edhelas has joined the room
[14:27:15] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[14:29:27] *** tux has left the room
[14:29:34] *** tux shows as "dnd" and his status message is "Work work …"
[14:31:28] *** SamWhited shows as "online"
[14:37:02] *** jubalh shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 15 min)"
[14:37:17] *** Steve Kille shows as "away" and his status message is "Hampton"
[14:38:51] *** daniel shows as "online"
[14:38:52] *** Guus has joined the room
[14:39:58] *** bjc has joined the room
[14:42:13] *** jubalh shows as "online"
[14:42:44] *** dwd shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[14:43:18] *** Alacer has joined the room
[14:43:19] *** Alacer shows as "online"
[14:45:43] *** Kev shows as "online"
[14:45:53] *** Alacer has left the room
[14:48:45] *** sonny has left the room
[14:48:51] *** sonny has joined the room
[14:50:16] *** Guus has left the room
[14:52:44] *** dwd shows as "xa" and his status message is " (Not available as a result of being idle more than 15 min)"
[14:52:58] *** Steve Kille shows as "online" and his status message is "Hampton"
[14:55:18] *** dwd shows as "online"
[14:56:09] *** Guus has joined the room
[14:57:30] *** Guus has left the room
[14:58:33] *** jubalh shows as "online"
[14:59:53] *** Kev has left the room
[15:00:28] *** Guus has joined the room
[15:02:12] *** Guus has left the room
[15:02:19] *** jonasw shows as "away"
[15:02:58] *** Steve Kille shows as "away" and his status message is "Hampton"
[15:05:08] *** Kev shows as "away"
[15:05:26] *** la|r|ma shows as "online"
[15:06:03] *** Guus has joined the room
[15:09:34] *** Martin has left the room
[15:16:00] *** Guus has left the room
[15:16:01] *** Holger shows as "away" and his status message is "Auto-away (idle)"
[15:16:08] *** bjc has left the room
[15:16:08] *** bjc has joined the room
[15:17:26] *** Holger shows as "online" and his status message is "I'm available"
[15:17:30] *** Guus has joined the room
[15:18:36] *** zinid has left the room
[15:18:39] *** zinid shows as "online"
[15:19:27] *** jonasw shows as "online"
[15:20:50] *** nyco has left the room
[15:20:56] *** nyco has joined the room
[15:22:32] *** Alex shows as "away" and his status message is "Auto-Status (untätig)"
[15:22:36] *** Alex shows as "online"
[15:23:11] *** Steve Kille shows as "online" and his status message is "Hampton"
[15:24:14] *** Guus has left the room
[15:25:46] <tux> Sounds like node.js is the software pendant to memory manufacturers. 🙃
[15:27:10] *** Guus has joined the room
[15:33:26] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[15:36:00] *** Valerian has left the room
[15:36:05] *** Valerian has joined the room
[15:36:47] *** Valerian has left the room
[15:37:30] *** Holger shows as "away" and his status message is "Auto-away (idle)"
[15:37:45] *** MattJ shows as "away"
[15:38:39] *** MattJ shows as "online"
[15:40:57] *** Guus has left the room
[15:43:51] *** Guus has joined the room
[15:44:06] *** Holger shows as "online" and his status message is "I'm available"
[15:45:34] *** Guus has left the room
[15:47:59] *** Guus has joined the room
[15:53:18] *** SamWhited has left the room
[15:53:30] *** jubalh has left the room
[15:54:33] *** Alex shows as "away" and his status message is "Auto-Status (untätig)"
[15:54:37] *** Alex shows as "online"
[15:54:42] *** jubalh has left the room
[15:55:12] *** bjc shows as "online"
[15:55:14] <Zash> What should happen if you send <presence type="error"/> (with nothing else)?
[15:55:33] *** bjc shows as "online"
[15:57:26] *** ralphm shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[16:01:04] <zinid> should be dropped by the server?
[16:02:34] *** xnyhps shows as "away" and his status message is "Away"
[16:03:12] *** Guus has left the room
[16:05:15] <dwd> Zash, A little window should pop up telling you you have too much time on your hands.
[16:05:53] *** Guus has joined the room
[16:07:26] *** ralphm shows as "xa" and his status message is " (Not available as a result of being idle more than 15 min)"
[16:08:09] <Zash> > Discarding unhandled error presence (<nil>, unknown condition) from c2s: <presence type='error'>
[16:08:28] <dwd> Zash, I preferred my error message.
[16:09:36] <Ge0rG> The words "time" and "hands" should be replaced by the respective Emoji..
[16:09:46] <Zash> :time::hands:
[16:09:54] *** thomas_ has left the room
[16:10:13] *** thomas_ shows as "online"
[16:10:17] *** nyco has left the room
[16:10:29] *** nyco has joined the room
[16:12:18] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[16:13:30] *** dwd shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[16:13:32] *** dwd shows as "online"
[16:14:50] <dwd> I just tried it with Openfire. A world of nothing happened.
[16:15:43] <zinid> same for ejabberd :)
[16:16:46] *** Valerian has joined the room
[16:17:13] *** Guus has left the room
[16:17:34] *** ralphm has left the room
[16:17:50] *** jubalh has joined the room
[16:21:27] *** jjrh has left the room
[16:21:32] *** Guus has joined the room
[16:21:32] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[16:22:58] <moparisthebest> https://github.com/openspace42/aenigma "aenigma provisions a fully functional and secure out of the box XMPP server you can get running today."
[16:23:11] <moparisthebest> never heard of that before, looks like bash script to set up ejabberd? odd
[16:25:03] *** thomas_ has left the room
[16:25:50] *** thomas_ has left the room
[16:26:01] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[16:26:16] *** sonny has left the room
[16:26:22] *** sonny has joined the room
[16:26:34] *** sonny has joined the room
[16:29:58] <zinid> there are also nginx and sslh in the bundle ;)
[16:31:02] <moparisthebest> I only saw it because dev emailed a question to the sslh mailing list :)
[16:31:44] *** MattJ shows as "away"
[16:32:20] <Flow> which clients do support "xmpp over ssh"? Or do you need an ssh-client setting up a tunnel?
[16:32:35] *** Kev shows as "online"
[16:33:32] <Flow> ahh s/ssh/ssl/
[16:33:43] *** intosi shows as "online"
[16:34:24] <moparisthebest> xep-368 style? conversations does
[16:34:33] <moparisthebest> I had a list of implementations in the email hang on...
[16:34:44] <dwd> moparisthebest, He didn't mean that.
[16:35:07] <moparisthebest> oh got it
[16:38:32] *** intosi shows as "online"
[16:38:47] *** MattJ shows as "online"
[16:40:58] *** Guus has left the room
[16:43:02] *** Guus has joined the room
[16:45:06] *** Guus has left the room
[16:48:08] *** Guus has joined the room
[16:48:40] *** bjc shows as "online"
[16:49:31] *** Guus has left the room
[16:49:43] *** intosi shows as "online"
[16:51:16] *** Guus has joined the room
[16:51:40] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[16:51:59] *** bjc shows as "away" and his status message is "Away"
[16:56:56] *** sonny has joined the room
[16:57:20] *** thomas_ has joined the room
[16:58:10] *** Guus has left the room
[16:58:51] *** ThurahT shows as "away"
[16:58:55] *** ThurahT shows as "online"
[16:59:04] *** sonny has left the room
[16:59:10] *** sonny has joined the room
[16:59:50] *** tux has left the room
[16:59:50] *** Guus has joined the room
[17:01:22] *** sonny has left the room
[17:01:29] *** sonny has joined the room
[17:04:31] *** sonny has left the room
[17:04:38] *** sonny has joined the room
[17:04:53] *** ThurahT shows as "away"
[17:04:58] *** ThurahT shows as "away"
[17:07:34] *** edhelas has left the room
[17:08:00] *** Valerian has left the room
[17:08:02] *** ThurahT shows as "away"
[17:08:06] *** ThurahT shows as "online"
[17:09:05] *** jcbrand has left the room
[17:11:29] *** Valerian has joined the room
[17:13:05] *** uc has joined the room
[17:13:52] *** jjrh has left the room
[17:13:56] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[17:14:05] *** ThurahT shows as "away"
[17:14:10] *** ThurahT shows as "away"
[17:19:27] *** Zash has left the room
[17:19:27] *** Zash has left the room
[17:19:40] *** Zash has joined the room
[17:19:40] *** Zash shows as "online"
[17:21:15] *** jonasw shows as "online"
[17:23:16] *** lumi shows as "away" and his status message is "(Idle 10 min)"
[17:23:38] *** uc has joined the room
[17:24:11] *** uc has left the room
[17:25:26] *** Guus has left the room
[17:28:38] *** intosi shows as "online"
[17:29:33] *** arc has left the room
[17:29:34] *** arc has joined the room
[17:30:21] *** arc has left the room
[17:30:22] *** arc has joined the room
[17:30:59] <Alex> we need more board & council candidates here ;-)
https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Board_and_Council_Elections_2017#
[17:31:44] *** bjc shows as "away" and his status message is "Away"
[17:31:49] *** bjc shows as "online"
[17:32:46] *** uc has joined the room
[17:36:32] <Ge0rG> I might volunteer
[17:36:37] *** jcbrand has joined the room
[17:37:31] <Alex> Ge0rG: go, go , go
[17:37:47] <moparisthebest> what happens if there aren't enough candidates actually
[17:38:01] <Ge0rG> I've already started my election page, but had to leave home.
[17:38:51] <jonasw> I was kind of hoping that we’d have more candidates than seats so that the election actually gets interesting :/
[17:39:13] <Alex> moparisthebest: :-S we did not have such a case in the entire career of the XSF yet. Would have to lookup the bylaws then or apply myself ;-)
[17:39:19] *** arc has left the room
[17:40:02] *** dwd shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[17:40:11] *** arc has joined the room
[17:40:16] <Alex> in the last years applications for board and council always came in close to the deadline
[17:40:36] <Ge0rG> Didn't we have situations in the past where the number of candidates matched the seats, making the election rather pointless?
[17:40:46] *** Guus has joined the room
[17:40:46] <Kev> It's not entirely pointless.
[17:40:55] <Kev> You don't get elected automatically you, still need to get elected.
[17:41:02] <Ge0rG> Not entirely, no
[17:41:20] *** Holger shows as "away" and his status message is "I'm away"
[17:42:03] *** edhelas has joined the room
[17:42:18] *** intosi shows as "online"
[17:43:16] <Ge0rG> I imagine that my council application will be rather controversial
[17:43:56] *** intosi shows as "online"
[17:43:59] <jonasw> that’s a good thing, right?
[17:46:29] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[17:47:50] <moparisthebest> not that Ge0rG guy...
[17:48:07] <moparisthebest> haha <3
[17:48:24] <Zash> Make XMPP Great Again!
[17:48:37] <moparisthebest> I'd buy that hat
[17:48:51] <Zash> Tell the SCAM team
[17:48:56] <jonasw> well played
[17:49:21] <Ge0rG> That motto is kind of burned. Besides, it should be "Make Jabber Great Again"...
[17:49:26] <Zash> Ha
[17:50:02] *** dwd shows as "xa" and his status message is " (Not available as a result of being idle more than 15 min)"
[17:50:17] *** Steve Kille shows as "online" and his status message is "Hampton"
[17:50:18] *** Steve Kille shows as "online" and his status message is "Hampton"
[17:50:27] *** sonny has joined the room
[17:50:53] *** waqas has joined the room
[17:51:26] <Ge0rG> I realized my error some time ago, but then Drumpf was elected already, doing bad things, so...
[17:51:48] *** lumi shows as "online"
[17:52:18] <moparisthebest> oh right, no I'd vote against you if you ran on a slogan with Jabber in it
[17:52:44] <Zash> "Make Jabber Ours Again"
[17:54:51] <Ge0rG> moparisthebest: why so?
[17:54:55] *** Steve Kille shows as "online"
[17:55:00] *** Steve Kille has left the room
[17:55:00] *** ralphm shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[17:55:07] *** Steve Kille shows as "online"
[17:55:10] <Zash> Ge0rG: For your own protection (against trademark infrigement)(?)
[17:55:14] *** Steve Kille shows as "online"
[17:55:55] <moparisthebest> yep!
[17:57:13] *** Steve Kille has left the room
[17:57:27] *** intosi shows as "online"
[17:57:28] <Ge0rG> I know my trademarks
[17:58:26] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[18:01:12] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[18:03:07] *** Steve Kille has left the room
[18:04:20] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[18:04:51] *** goffi has left the room
[18:05:37] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[18:05:52] *** thomas_ has left the room
[18:05:57] *** Steve Kille has left the room
[18:06:50] *** tux shows as "online"
[18:07:38] *** Steve Kille has joined the room
[18:07:46] *** Steve Kille has left the room
[18:07:54] *** SamWhited has joined the room
[18:09:27] *** Kev has left the room
[18:10:16] *** Steve Kille has joined the room
[18:10:21] *** Steve Kille shows as "online"
[18:10:45] *** Guus has left the room
[18:11:58] *** ralphm shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[18:12:16] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[18:12:36] *** ralphm has left the room
[18:13:19] *** sonny has left the room
[18:13:28] *** sonny has joined the room
[18:13:40] *** sonny has joined the room
[18:14:47] *** sonny has left the room
[18:15:59] *** Guus has joined the room
[18:16:08] *** sonny has joined the room
[18:16:21] *** Guus has left the room
[18:18:18] *** jjrh has left the room
[18:18:28] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[18:21:41] *** Steve Kille shows as "online" and his status message is "At Home"
[18:21:42] *** Steve Kille shows as "online" and his status message is "At Home"
[18:22:50] *** sonny has left the room
[18:22:54] *** Steve Kille has left the room
[18:22:58] *** sonny has joined the room
[18:24:01] *** Guus has joined the room
[18:24:31] *** Steve Kille shows as "online"
[18:24:39] *** Steve Kille shows as "online"
[18:25:05] *** Guus has left the room
[18:27:44] *** Steve Kille has left the room
[18:27:55] *** jcbrand has left the room
[18:28:09] *** Guus has joined the room
[18:28:12] *** Steve Kille shows as "online"
[18:28:17] *** Steve Kille shows as "online"
[18:28:19] *** Guus has left the room
[18:28:40] *** uc has joined the room
[18:29:57] *** Guus has joined the room
[18:31:18] *** lskdjf shows as "online"
[18:33:53] *** Valerian has left the room
[18:35:33] *** Ge0rG shows as "online"
[18:35:50] *** arc has left the room
[18:36:33] *** arc has joined the room
[18:37:21] *** Valerian has joined the room
[18:38:13] *** waqas has left the room
[18:41:49] *** jubalh has joined the room
[18:43:18] *** bjc shows as "online"
[18:44:09] *** bjc shows as "online"
[18:48:58] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[18:52:25] *** Guus has left the room
[18:55:05] *** Guus has joined the room
[18:55:18] *** arc has left the room
[18:55:18] *** arc has joined the room
[18:55:49] *** Kev shows as "online"
[18:55:53] *** Kev shows as "online"
[18:56:19] *** sonny has joined the room
[18:59:43] *** lskdjf shows as "online"
[18:59:49] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[19:00:37] <moparisthebest> zinid, so the sslh question guy is saying ejabberd will support '368 next version, in what way(s) ?
[19:04:35] <zinid> moparisthebest: what is 368
[19:04:42] <zinid> I don't remember all those stupid xep numbers
[19:04:56] <Zash> -xep 368
[19:04:56] <Bunneh> Zash: XEP-0368: SRV records for XMPP over TLS (Standards Track, Draft, 2017-03-09)
See: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0368.html
[19:05:09] <zinid> it supports it already for outgoing server connections
[19:05:24] <Zash> "Legacy SSL on port 5223 but with SRV records"
[19:05:42] *** daniel has left the room
[19:05:55] *** Steve Kille shows as "away" and his status message is "At Home"
[19:06:08] *** daniel shows as "online"
[19:06:11] <moparisthebest> presumably it already supported legacy ssl on port 5223 for c2s
[19:06:19] *** Steve Kille shows as "online" and his status message is "At Home"
[19:06:21] <moparisthebest> but what else?
[19:06:31] *** sonny has joined the room
[19:07:07] <zinid> in theory it should support sni, but it doesn't
[19:07:17] <zinid> sni for incoming connections
[19:09:58] *** Guus has left the room
[19:13:12] *** Guus has joined the room
[19:13:32] *** Alex has left the room
[19:13:53] *** daniel has left the room
[19:14:34] *** daniel shows as "online"
[19:16:34] *** Guus has left the room
[19:17:45] *** Guus has joined the room
[19:17:53] *** Alex has joined the room
[19:19:32] *** goffi has joined the room
[19:22:30] *** Valerian has left the room
[19:23:28] *** Steve Kille shows as "away" and his status message is "At Home"
[19:25:27] *** Guus has left the room
[19:27:36] *** Guus has joined the room
[19:27:41] *** Guus has left the room
[19:28:06] *** Zash shows as "online"
[19:29:00] *** Kev shows as "online"
[19:29:04] *** Kev shows as "online"
[19:29:17] *** dwd shows as "online"
[19:31:41] *** lskdjf shows as "online"
[19:32:21] *** sonny has left the room
[19:32:41] *** sonny has joined the room
[19:33:36] *** Guus has joined the room
[19:33:59] *** sonny has joined the room
[19:35:26] *** Kev has left the room
[19:37:02] *** tim@boese-ban.de shows as "online"
[19:38:17] *** xnyhps has left the room
[19:38:25] *** xnyhps shows as "online"
[19:44:47] *** matlag has left the room
[19:45:05] *** dwd shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[19:45:09] *** dwd shows as "online"
[19:46:16] *** Valerian has joined the room
[19:46:40] *** Steve Kille has left the room
[19:46:41] *** matlag shows as "online"
[19:46:47] *** Steve Kille shows as "online"
[19:46:55] *** Steve Kille shows as "online"
[19:47:57] *** jonasw has left the room
[19:48:34] *** matlag has left the room
[19:49:17] *** matlag shows as "online"
[19:50:56] *** bjc shows as "online"
[19:51:20] *** bjc shows as "away" and his status message is "Away"
[19:51:23] *** matlag has left the room
[19:51:34] *** matlag shows as "online"
[19:53:33] *** Guus shows as "online"
[19:54:11] *** la|r|ma has left the room
[19:56:03] *** Zash shows as "online"
[19:56:49] *** Valerian has left the room
[19:56:49] *** mimi89999 shows as "online"
[19:57:36] *** bjc shows as "online"
[19:57:36] *** bjc shows as "online"
[19:59:16] *** sonny has joined the room
[20:01:12] *** daniel has left the room
[20:01:22] *** daniel shows as "online"
[20:03:19] *** thomas_ has joined the room
[20:03:21] *** tim@boese-ban.de shows as "xa" and his status message is " (Not available as a result of being idle more than 15 min)"
[20:04:22] *** Zash has left the room
[20:05:29] *** Guus has left the room
[20:06:03] *** tim@boese-ban.de shows as "online"
[20:07:38] *** Guus shows as "online"
[20:08:02] *** Valerian has joined the room
[20:10:11] *** tim@boese-ban.de shows as "xa" and his status message is " (Not available as a result of being idle more than 15 min)"
[20:10:45] *** tim@boese-ban.de shows as "online"
[20:16:52] *** dwd shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[20:21:42] *** Steve Kille shows as "online" and his status message is "At Home"
[20:22:09] *** daniel has left the room
[20:22:12] *** daniel shows as "online"
[20:22:17] *** vanitasvitae has left the room
[20:22:59] *** vanitasvitae has joined the room
[20:25:44] *** bjc shows as "online"
[20:26:52] *** dwd shows as "xa" and his status message is " (Not available as a result of being idle more than 15 min)"
[20:27:08] *** bjc shows as "online"
[20:27:09] *** MattJ shows as "away"
[20:28:09] *** daniel has left the room
[20:28:53] *** daniel shows as "online"
[20:29:01] *** waqas has joined the room
[20:29:01] *** waqas has left the room
[20:32:16] *** lumi shows as "away" and his status message is "(Idle 10 min)"
[20:38:14] *** lumi shows as "online"
[20:39:56] *** jjrh has left the room
[20:40:01] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[20:40:37] *** tim@boese-ban.de shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[20:40:55] *** tim@boese-ban.de shows as "online"
[20:41:28] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[20:47:01] *** bjc shows as "online"
[20:50:49] *** tim@boese-ban.de shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[20:51:45] *** tim@boese-ban.de shows as "online"
[20:52:51] *** bjc shows as "online"
[20:56:32] *** Guus has left the room
[20:56:41] *** Valerian has left the room
[20:57:32] *** Guus shows as "online"
[20:57:51] *** Valerian has joined the room
[20:58:41] *** tim@boese-ban.de shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[21:00:43] *** tim@boese-ban.de shows as "online"
[21:02:43] *** tim@boese-ban.de shows as "xa" and his status message is " (Not available as a result of being idle more than 15 min)"
[21:02:51] *** bjc shows as "online"
[21:03:25] *** jjrh has left the room
[21:03:30] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[21:04:52] *** bjc shows as "online"
[21:06:39] *** tim@boese-ban.de shows as "online"
[21:09:25] *** bjc has left the room
[21:10:57] *** bjc has joined the room
[21:10:57] *** bjc shows as "online"
[21:12:17] *** tim@boese-ban.de shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[21:13:34] *** Kev shows as "away"
[21:13:37] *** Kev shows as "online"
[21:14:21] *** tim@boese-ban.de shows as "online"
[21:15:03] *** thomas_ shows as "online"
[21:17:12] *** SouL has left the room
[21:19:07] *** intosi shows as "online"
[21:19:56] *** la|r|ma shows as "online"
[21:21:29] *** tim@boese-ban.de shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[21:21:56] *** thomas_ has left the room
[21:22:15] *** thomas_ shows as "online"
[21:23:19] *** tim@boese-ban.de shows as "online"
[21:23:19] *** jjrh has left the room
[21:23:23] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[21:24:38] *** bjc has left the room
[21:27:15] *** thomas_ has left the room
[21:27:35] *** thomas_ shows as "online"
[21:29:23] *** jjrh has left the room
[21:29:27] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[21:30:21] *** tim@boese-ban.de shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[21:30:40] *** zinid has left the room
[21:37:08] *** Steve Kille shows as "away" and his status message is "At Home"
[21:37:30] *** ralphm has left the room
[21:38:03] *** ralphm shows as "online"
[21:38:56] *** thomas_ has left the room
[21:39:31] *** thomas_ shows as "online"
[21:40:21] *** tim@boese-ban.de shows as "xa" and his status message is " (Not available as a result of being idle more than 15 min)"
[21:40:23] *** jjrh has left the room
[21:40:51] *** tim@boese-ban.de shows as "online"
[21:41:24] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[21:42:14] *** thomas_ has left the room
[21:42:26] *** thomas_ shows as "online"
[21:43:39] *** jonasw shows as "away"
[21:44:02] *** zinid has left the room
[21:44:03] *** zinid has joined the room
[21:48:56] *** jjrh has left the room
[21:50:18] *** zinid has left the room
[21:50:21] *** zinid has joined the room
[21:55:12] *** jcbrand has joined the room
[21:57:43] *** MattJ shows as "online"
[22:01:12] *** arc has left the room
[22:01:13] *** arc has joined the room
[22:02:33] *** jjrh has left the room
[22:02:37] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[22:04:51] *** jjrh has left the room
[22:04:57] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[22:07:45] *** jjrh has left the room
[22:07:49] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[22:08:42] *** Valerian has left the room
[22:11:41] *** Kev shows as "away"
[22:13:24] *** jjrh has left the room
[22:14:59] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[22:17:28] *** MattJ shows as "away"
[22:17:37] *** tim@boese-ban.de shows as "xa" and his status message is " (Not available as a result of being idle more than 15 min)"
[22:17:45] *** Valerian has joined the room
[22:18:12] *** Valerian has left the room
[22:18:17] *** Valerian has joined the room
[22:18:59] *** Valerian has left the room
[22:20:06] *** lumi has left the room
[22:23:04] *** jcbrand has left the room
[22:23:32] *** lumi has joined the room
[22:24:29] *** Guus has left the room
[22:29:00] *** tim@boese-ban.de shows as "online"
[22:31:36] *** MattJ shows as "online"
[22:32:54] *** Guus shows as "online"
[22:34:30] *** tim@boese-ban.de shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[22:35:15] *** Steve Kille shows as "online" and his status message is "At Home"
[22:37:41] *** dwd shows as "online"
[22:39:47] *** Guus has left the room
[22:42:26] *** Guus shows as "online"
[22:42:44] *** Valerian has joined the room
[22:44:30] *** tim@boese-ban.de shows as "xa" and his status message is " (Not available as a result of being idle more than 15 min)"
[22:48:20] *** lovetox has left the room
[22:53:00] *** jubalh has joined the room
[22:58:28] *** Ge0rG has left the room
[22:58:50] *** lskdjf has left the room
[23:00:02] *** jjrh has left the room
[23:00:53] *** daniel has left the room
[23:03:25] *** dwd shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[23:05:30] *** Alex has left the room
[23:05:45] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[23:05:48] *** lskdjf shows as "online"
[23:05:48] *** lskdjf has left the room
[23:06:47] *** Steve Kille shows as "away" and his status message is "At Home"
[23:06:51] *** jjrh has left the room
[23:07:05] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[23:10:09] *** dwd shows as "online"
[23:12:32] *** Guus has left the room
[23:14:00] *** MattJ shows as "away"
[23:16:20] *** Guus shows as "online"
[23:21:26] *** goffi has left the room
[23:22:01] *** dwd shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[23:23:23] *** jjrh has left the room
[23:23:41] *** Kev shows as "online"
[23:24:59] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[23:26:15] *** Guus has left the room
[23:32:01] *** dwd shows as "xa" and his status message is " (Not available as a result of being idle more than 15 min)"
[23:32:06] *** jubalh has left the room
[23:33:09] *** jjrh has left the room
[23:33:13] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[23:34:18] *** jjrh has left the room
[23:37:30] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[23:38:29] *** jjrh has left the room
[23:39:25] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[23:40:55] *** Guus shows as "online"
[23:41:10] *** Guus has left the room
[23:42:25] *** arc has left the room
[23:42:26] *** arc has joined the room
[23:43:51] *** Guus shows as "online"
[23:45:54] *** Guus has left the room
[23:47:20] *** Guus shows as "online"
[23:47:35] *** Guus has left the room
[23:49:34] *** jjrh has left the room
[23:49:54] *** lskdjf shows as "online"
[23:50:04] *** jjrh shows as "online"
[23:55:39] *** xnyhps shows as "away" and his status message is "Away"
[23:57:36] *** Guus shows as "online"
[23:59:01] *** ralphm has left the room
[23:59:06] *** ralphm shows as "online"