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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[08:57:17] <daniel> What process do I have to go through to get an account on the wiki?
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[09:00:19] <Kev> Find an admin, give them a mail address and ask nicely.
[09:00:28] <Kev> (I can do it Right Now)
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[09:02:36] <Kev> But only if you give me a mail address :)
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[09:07:29] <Kev> Or not. AFK.
[09:07:55] <jonasw> but Ge0rG can do it too, daniel.
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[09:18:09] <Ge0rG> True
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[09:32:29] <Ge0rG> jonasw: re MIX, the section in https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0369.html#usecase-server-presence-update is pretty clear
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[09:33:22] <jonasw> I think they could just send a refresh request whenever a user joins, too.
[09:33:54] <Ge0rG> jonasw: this is about after-the-join
[09:34:10] <jonasw> it doesn’t need that information, except for joins, does it?
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[09:34:45] <jonasw> okay, wait, do you mean "join" like "joining a channel for the first time" or "join" like "a reconnecting client activiating MIX support"?
[09:34:46] <Ge0rG> "In normal operation a MIX participant's server will hold accurate presence status for the channel which it provides to clients when they are activated." - so my server will receive and cache (in RAM?) presence from all participants of all MIXes that all the abandoned user accounts on my server ever joined.
[09:34:49] <jonasw> because I meant the latter, sorry for being unclear
[09:34:56] <jonasw> it doesn’t have to.
[09:35:11] <Ge0rG> but that's what the XEP says.
[09:35:17] <jonasw> there’s no MUST in there
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[09:35:21] <jonasw> or even SHOULD
[09:35:25] <jonasw> I see this as suggestion
[09:35:36] <jonasw> (can be useful to reduce the delay when activating clients)
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[09:37:21] <Kev> I'm not sure this is right.
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[09:46:26] <Ge0rG> Kev: "this"?
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[10:05:50] <Ge0rG> So can somebody elaborate please?
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[11:56:49] <Ge0rG> 😐
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[13:42:57] <zinid> Server tracking presences from whole world, what a great idea
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[13:59:43] <Ge0rG> Maybe my reading of the xep is wrong?
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[14:02:37] <Kev> Sorry Ge0rG; I'm busy here. No, I mean that the subscriber's server shouldn't be needing to cache the presence of all occupants, so we need to look at taht.
[14:05:01] <Ge0rG> Kev: thanks. I'll write another large pile of feedback soon, not yet sure whether to the list or just to Steve
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[14:08:30] <jonasw> Ge0rG, to the list if it’s not editorial, please
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[14:09:17] <Ge0rG> jonasw: 👍
[14:12:21] <Ge0rG> So I've finally read and understood the relevant parts of 313
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[14:21:09] <Flow> Ge0rG, looking forward to your feedback on MAM
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[14:23:16] <Ge0rG> Flow: pretty well written, except for my pet peeve on what exactly to archive
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[14:32:14] <Alex> Reminder: https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Board_and_Council_Elections_2017
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[14:33:49] <Flow> Ge0rG, are you asking for precise rules on what to archive? Do we need that (now)?
[14:36:27] <Ge0rG> Flow: yes I am. I think we need them as part of message routing 2.0, which can be done after advancing 313
[14:36:59] <Flow> I'm not sure why those rules are important, besides optimizing the archives size
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[14:41:33] <Ge0rG> Consistency of what will be seen by your client
[14:41:38] <jonasw> *clients
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[14:42:32] <Ge0rG> Try to debug a user's "messages are lost sometimes" issue and you will understand
[14:44:18] <jonasw> Flow, the archive rules are inconsistent with the carbon rules, which leads to interesting differences between what’s seen by devices depending on the time ranges in which they’re online
[14:44:34] <Ge0rG> I'd like to see error responses to archived messages in the archive as well, so I can see on my other/ reconnected client that a message was bounced
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[14:45:49] <Ge0rG> You need to ask the user half a dozen questions about their exact deployment before even guessing the possible cause...
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[15:03:59] <Flow> got ir
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[18:48:17] <Guus> We're short on xsf board candidates for next yeat! No one else interested? Know anyone that might be interested?
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[18:49:02] <Guus> Only a few more hours until the application deadline expires.
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[20:09:47] <moparisthebest> Memberbot will have to be modified to accept write in candidates then we'll have to conscript someone
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[21:35:37] <MattJ> Anyone free to last-minute recreate my wiki account? (MattJ - mwild1@gmail.com)
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[21:43:38] <Kev> Done.
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[21:48:24] <Link Mauve> For anyone who thought I would procrastinate too much, I made it!
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[21:49:26] <Zash> Successful procrastination?
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[21:58:16] <Link Mauve> I’d say more successful fight against it. ^^
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[22:29:27] <Ge0rG> Wow, we've got more candidates for council than slots. This will be an interesting time
[22:30:22] <moparisthebest> Aw no conscription...
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[22:40:17] <Ge0rG> Do we need to run an electron rally now? 😀
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[23:33:49] <Holger> I'd also appreciate a new wiki account (I guess that got lost during the crash?) ... holger - holger@zedat.fu-berlin.de
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