XSF Discussion - 2017-11-15


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  22. Zash

    Hm, I don't see any logs from around the time of dwds s2s components proposal.

  23. Zash

    Ah, here we go https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/council/2015-February/003953.html

  24. Flow

    Zash you are the ultimate link archaeologist :)

  25. Zash

    :)

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  30. dwd

    Zash, Yes, nobody ever replied. :-/

  31. Zash

    Special addressing is weird tho

  32. dwd

    Zash, Yup. I certainly concede that. But it's less weird than using your own domain name in both to and from.

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  41. arc

    OK now let's see if we can pull a board mtg together

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  43. MattJ

    Good luck

  44. MattJ

    Still an hour too early if you ask me :)

  45. arc

    Mattj we can decide to change it, I'm fine with that, but this is the time we previously agreed to

  46. MattJ

    Past convention has been to follow DST on one side of the pond or the other (typically EU DST)

  47. MattJ

    Obviously DST makes things awkward, but we can't control that. Having a meeting move by an hour for everyone at semi-random dates in the year is just as awkward, and we can control that

  48. Zash

    That's where you're wrong, kiddo

  49. Zash

    Pretty sure it'll randomly move for everyone regardless of how you try to avoid it.

  50. Zash

    Especially if you try to avoid it

  51. Zash

    http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/2017-11-08/#16:00:02

  52. MattJ

    For people on the board, there are two sets of DST changes, and they aren't at the same time. A couple of weeks of some people being inconvenienced is better than everyone being inconvenienced until next year

  53. arc

    Locking to UTC ensures it only changes twice a year for everyone. Locking to local time makes it change four times a year for everyone outside that local time

  54. MattJ

    *shrug*

  55. MattJ

    To be fair I'm fine with the time change at the moment, it's mildly more convenient for me :)

  56. arc

    We as a board can change the time one hour ahead

  57. arc

    Its 8 bloody AM for me.

  58. arc

    I'd prefer it one hour from now

  59. Martin

    Right, how many of us are here then?

  60. arc

    3

  61. arc

    Our 'b team' is present

  62. Martin

    OK, let's kick off then

  63. Martin

    1. Roll call

  64. MattJ

    Here

  65. arc

    Here

  66. Martin

    …and I'm here

  67. Martin

    2. Minutes

  68. Martin

    dwd?

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  70. Martin

    ...anyone?

  71. SamWhited

    dwd is missing from the council meeting which is apparently at the same time as this now, so he better not be over here taking minutes :)

  72. arc

    Any volunteers for minutes?

  73. MattJ

    I can do it

  74. MattJ

    I don't anticipate they'll be long :)

  75. Martin

    No, I can't imagine they will be

  76. Martin

    3. Topics for decisions

  77. Martin

    3.1. Rename "Draft" to "Stable"

  78. arc

    Obviously meeting time needs to be added

  79. Martin

    I remember some ML discussion on this, but it didn't feel like it reached a concensus...?

  80. MattJ

    We agreed that it needed further discussion. I made a proposal and pushed to Github (to my own fork), and posted it to the list

  81. MattJ

    The changes highlighted some inconsistency with the wording of XEP-0001, and opinions differ over how to handle that

  82. MattJ

    and whether this really is a minor change as it seemed a few weeks ago

  83. MattJ

    So my vote would be to not make any changes, until we better understand what we're going to change and why

  84. Martin

    I think that's where my head was at too, after reading the ML discussion

  85. MattJ

    I still think that some change is needed, but we just need to figure it out more thoroughly

  86. Martin

    OK, I'll leave it where it is for now then

  87. Martin

    3.2 Board meeting time

  88. MattJ

    As mentioned before the meeting, this time is a little more comfortable for me, but I'm fine with +1h if they don't over-run

  89. arc

    Proposal to move it one hour ahead

  90. MattJ

    Meanwhile at least one board member said they positively cannot attend at this time

  91. Martin

    +1h is ok with me

  92. MattJ

    +1 on +1h

  93. Martin

    so 17:00 UTC

  94. arc

    OK I'll update it on the calendar, and we have to make sure nyco and Ralph know it too

  95. MattJ

    Thanks

  96. Martin

    4. Commitment for week ahead

  97. Martin

    4.1 Council & Board elections

  98. Martin

    These are underway now, right? i can archive the card?

  99. arc

    Yes

  100. MattJ

    They will be concluded by next Wednesday

  101. Martin

    Excellent

  102. Martin

    5. Items for discussion

  103. Martin

    5.1 Editor team members

  104. Martin

    Is this stil ongoing? There's a comment that indicates it might have been mnet

  105. Martin

    *met

  106. arc

    Its been on there so long I forget

  107. Martin

    OK, I'll archive it

  108. Martin

    6. AOBs

  109. Martin

    6.1. FOSDEM/Summit financials

  110. Martin

    Feels ancient

  111. MattJ

    Still unresolved

  112. MattJ

    i.e. we have not collected money from (some?) sponsors (two years running now)

  113. Martin

    Is there more to add to the card beyond the title? It just looks like it's been sitting there since July

  114. Martin

    Can someone who knows the detail add something onto the card?

  115. MattJ

    I can

  116. Martin

    Thanks

  117. Martin

    6.2. SASL-HT

  118. Martin

    The link in the card to the mail is broken, or has been removed

  119. dwd

    I suspect that's long since irrelevant.

  120. arc

    Also why is the board discussing it?

  121. Martin

    OK, i'll bin it

  122. Martin

    7. Time/date of next

  123. Martin

    +1W, 17:00 UTC

  124. arc

    +1

  125. Martin

    Good, then I think we're done

  126. arc

    Bang the gabel 😀

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  128. Martin

    *bangs gavel*

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  130. ralphm

    oh drat

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