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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[11:05:43] <Zash> Hm, I don't see any logs from around the time of dwds s2s components proposal.
[11:07:00] <Zash> Ah, here we go https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/council/2015-February/003953.html
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[11:26:32] <Flow> Zash you are the ultimate link archaeologist :)
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[11:27:16] <Zash> :)
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[13:17:11] <dwd> Zash, Yes, nobody ever replied. :-/
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[13:17:47] <Zash> Special addressing is weird tho
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[13:30:58] <dwd> Zash, Yup. I certainly concede that. But it's less weird than using your own domain name in both to and from.
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[15:41:25] <arc> OK now let's see if we can pull a board mtg together
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[15:44:37] <MattJ> Good luck
[15:44:50] <MattJ> Still an hour too early if you ask me :)
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[15:46:28] <arc> Mattj we can decide to change it, I'm fine with that, but this is the time we previously agreed to
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[15:49:08] <MattJ> Past convention has been to follow DST on one side of the pond or the other (typically EU DST)
[15:50:27] <MattJ> Obviously DST makes things awkward, but we can't control that. Having a meeting move by an hour for everyone at semi-random dates in the year is just as awkward, and we can control that
[15:50:58] <Zash> That's where you're wrong, kiddo
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[15:51:39] <Zash> Pretty sure it'll randomly move for everyone regardless of how you try to avoid it.
[15:52:19] <Zash> Especially if you try to avoid it
[15:52:36] <Zash> http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/2017-11-08/#16:00:02
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[15:53:58] <MattJ> For people on the board, there are two sets of DST changes, and they aren't at the same time. A couple of weeks of some people being inconvenienced is better than everyone being inconvenienced until next year
[15:54:13] <arc> Locking to UTC ensures it only changes twice a year for everyone. Locking to local time makes it change four times a year for everyone outside that local time
[15:54:54] <MattJ> *shrug*
[15:55:11] <MattJ> To be fair I'm fine with the time change at the moment, it's mildly more convenient for me :)
[15:55:19] <arc> We as a board can change the time one hour ahead
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[15:55:47] <arc> Its 8 bloody AM for me.
[15:56:00] <arc> I'd prefer it one hour from now
[15:57:47] <Martin> Right, how many of us are here then?
[15:57:55] <arc> 3
[15:58:25] <arc> Our 'b team' is present
[15:59:21] <Martin> OK, let's kick off then
[15:59:32] <Martin> 1. Roll call
[15:59:47] <MattJ> Here
[15:59:51] <arc> Here
[16:00:02] <Martin> …and I'm here
[16:00:06] <Martin> 2. Minutes
[16:00:09] <Martin> dwd?
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[16:00:40] <Martin> ...anyone?
[16:00:43] <SamWhited> dwd is missing from the council meeting which is apparently at the same time as this now, so he better not be over here taking minutes :)
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[16:01:14] <arc> Any volunteers for minutes?
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[16:01:26] <MattJ> I can do it
[16:01:44] <MattJ> I don't anticipate they'll be long :)
[16:01:58] <Martin> No, I can't imagine they will be
[16:02:07] <Martin> 3. Topics for decisions
[16:02:15] <Martin> 3.1. Rename "Draft" to "Stable"
[16:02:23] <arc> Obviously meeting time needs to be added
[16:02:31] <Martin> I remember some ML discussion on this, but it didn't feel like it reached a concensus...?
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[16:03:11] <MattJ> We agreed that it needed further discussion. I made a proposal and pushed to Github (to my own fork), and posted it to the list
[16:03:38] <MattJ> The changes highlighted some inconsistency with the wording of XEP-0001, and opinions differ over how to handle that
[16:03:49] <MattJ> and whether this really is a minor change as it seemed a few weeks ago
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[16:04:13] <MattJ> So my vote would be to not make any changes, until we better understand what we're going to change and why
[16:04:44] <Martin> I think that's where my head was at too, after reading the ML discussion
[16:05:18] <MattJ> I still think that some change is needed, but we just need to figure it out more thoroughly
[16:05:45] <Martin> OK, I'll leave it where it is for now then
[16:06:02] <Martin> 3.2 Board meeting time
[16:06:49] <MattJ> As mentioned before the meeting, this time is a little more comfortable for me, but I'm fine with +1h if they don't over-run
[16:06:55] <arc> Proposal to move it one hour ahead
[16:07:01] <MattJ> Meanwhile at least one board member said they positively cannot attend at this time
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[16:07:23] <Martin> +1h is ok with me
[16:07:30] <MattJ> +1 on +1h
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[16:08:04] <Martin> so 17:00 UTC
[16:08:30] <arc> OK I'll update it on the calendar, and we have to make sure nyco and Ralph know it too
[16:09:27] <MattJ> Thanks
[16:09:41] <Martin> 4. Commitment for week ahead
[16:09:49] <Martin> 4.1 Council & Board elections
[16:09:58] <Martin> These are underway now, right? i can archive the card?
[16:10:09] <arc> Yes
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[16:10:38] <MattJ> They will be concluded by next Wednesday
[16:10:38] <Martin> Excellent
[16:11:03] <Martin> 5. Items for discussion
[16:11:07] <Martin> 5.1 Editor team members
[16:11:20] <Martin> Is this stil ongoing? There's a comment that indicates it might have been mnet
[16:11:22] <Martin> *met
[16:11:42] <arc> Its been on there so long I forget
[16:12:18] <Martin> OK, I'll archive it
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[16:12:35] <Martin> 6. AOBs
[16:12:55] <Martin> 6.1. FOSDEM/Summit financials
[16:12:58] <Martin> Feels ancient
[16:13:07] <MattJ> Still unresolved
[16:13:26] <MattJ> i.e. we have not collected money from (some?) sponsors (two years running now)
[16:13:39] <Martin> Is there more to add to the card beyond the title? It just looks like it's been sitting there since July
[16:13:48] <Martin> Can someone who knows the detail add something onto the card?
[16:13:54] <MattJ> I can
[16:14:32] <Martin> Thanks
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[16:14:56] <Martin> 6.2. SASL-HT
[16:15:06] <Martin> The link in the card to the mail is broken, or has been removed
[16:15:24] <dwd> I suspect that's long since irrelevant.
[16:16:12] <arc> Also why is the board discussing it?
[16:17:07] <Martin> OK, i'll bin it
[16:17:27] <Martin> 7. Time/date of next
[16:17:33] <Martin> +1W, 17:00 UTC
[16:17:41] <arc> +1
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[16:20:26] <Martin> Good, then I think we're done
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[16:21:32] <arc> Bang the gabel 😀
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[16:22:19] <Martin> *bangs gavel*
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[16:48:35] <ralphm> oh drat
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