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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[08:36:19] <Ge0rG> marc: I'm with jonasw here, the basic flow is nice, but I would omit password entry. Also it should automatically add the inviter to the roster.
[08:36:57] <jonasw> Ge0rG, writing up the XEP and working on that seems reasonable at this stage though
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[08:38:00] <Ge0rG> marc: I'm very short on time, but I would really like to proof read your proposal. Maybe the PARS XEP would be a good framework to copy from, and I'd love to reuse the xml elements from there 😉
[08:38:10] <Ge0rG> jonasw: yes please
[08:38:37] <Ge0rG> jonasw: we could easily just use an auto generated password on the client side
[08:38:48] <jonasw> Ge0rG, you would have to be able to recover/change that though
[08:39:18] <Ge0rG> jonasw: yaxim does that already, and conversations too
[08:39:40] <jonasw> random password magic?
[08:39:56] <Ge0rG> jonasw: exactly
[08:39:59] <jonasw> crazy
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[08:43:15] <Ge0rG> jonasw: it just works.
[08:43:19] <jonasw> yeah
[08:43:34] <Ge0rG> jonasw: the only problem is I need to replace `[Repeate password]` with `[X] Show password`
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[09:20:59] <marc> Ge0rG: yes, but password generation shouldn't be a part of this XEP, right?
[09:21:32] <jonasw> I think it might be part of the "Usability Considerations" or "User Experience Considerations" section some have been adding to their XEPs recently
[09:21:38] <jonasw> (it’s not in the template thoguh)
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[09:24:50] <marc> Yeah, I can integrate this. We should consider an extra XEP for it
[09:25:00] <jonasw> maybe, maybe not
[09:25:32] <jonasw> I’d focus on the protocol flow for invitation and registration first, as you said, it doesn’t matter for the protocol how the password is determined (user input vs. random)
[09:25:52] <marc> Yes, exactly
[09:26:37] <marc> Because there a multiple ways to overcome this issue
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[13:25:27] <Tobias> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.security.policy/LM1SpKHJ-oc and there goes StartCom
[13:26:06] <Zash> It ded?
[13:26:08] <Guus> goes? wasn't it gone?
[13:26:22] <Guus> oh, out-of-business now
[13:26:46] <Guus> "Due to some comments and decisions made by the Mozilla community" <-- yeah, no.
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[13:27:53] <Guus> or does that refer to the re-inclusion process?
[13:28:05] <Tobias> probably
[13:28:25] <Guus> whatever. Sadly, it'll now be harder to figure out where the same persons (applying the same business practices) will end up.
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[13:29:09] <Zash> Is there some reason why there seems to be a bunch of (number).cn things?
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[13:34:26] <dwd> Zash, "360" in this context is 360° security, a marketing term for fuck knows what.
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[13:39:26] <intosi> Cuz we likes them circles.
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[22:18:00] <edhelas> does the XSF has a Twitter account ? I can't find it on the website
[22:18:30] <SamWhited> https://twitter.com/xmpp
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[22:18:58] <edhelas> ah yeah, I was looking for @xsf :p
[22:19:33] <Guus> I think there actually is one
[22:19:35] <Guus> but almost unused
[22:19:39] <Guus> I ran into it the other day
[22:20:04] <SamWhited> We seem to like to allocate a ton of rooms, twitters, mailing lists, etc. even though we don't have enough people to make one feel overcrowded
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[22:28:48] <Guus> @xmppfoundation
[22:29:16] <SamWhited> TIL
[22:29:29] <Zash> Does it have a purpose?
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