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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[07:06:33] <jonasw> SamWhited, that’s what I meant by "are you sure you’re looking at the right table" :)
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[08:46:01] <Guus> Who here has been around forever? :)
[08:47:22] <Guus> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=XMPP_Standards_Foundation&action=edit§ion=1 has a note that it should be expanded. If someone could fill in some of the missing history of the XSF, and remove the 'needs expending' label, that'd be highly appreciated.
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[08:51:16] <jonasw> can’t we link to the history page on the website?
[08:51:46] <Guus> (do we have such a page?)
[08:52:05] <Guus> but, no. We can reference it, but the article on wikipedia should be self-containing, I think.
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[09:10:16] <jonasw> oh, that’s wikipedia
[09:10:31] <jonasw> I thought it was our wiki
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[09:10:39] <jonasw> (I didn’t click and misread the URL)
[09:14:01] <Guus> Yeah, I was attempting to improve the public facing description of ourselves.
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[10:23:40] <jonasw> @iteam: I soon™ have a Dockerfile which builds a container which has a working xmppoke command (the backend for the xmpp.net thing)
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[10:24:02] <jonasw> what’s missing for the full xmpp.net thing is: the PHP-based frontend and a postgresql database where xmppoke dumps its results
[10:24:11] <jonasw> I feel that these two should be different containers though
[10:24:19] <jonasw> (is there an iteam-MUC which is more approriate?)
[10:24:30] <Guus> awesome
[10:24:32] <Guus> !
[10:25:01] <Guus> and yes, but I don't recall if it's open
[10:25:14] <Guus> try: iteam@ on this service
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[12:12:30] <jonasw> posted update to members@, hopefully somebody will be willing to take over the PHP part :)
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[12:18:47] <daniel> Php? Where? I love php
[12:18:59] <jonasw> I sense sarcasm
[12:19:27] <Guus> nono, touched-it-last rules now apply. Daniel's it.
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[12:20:43] <Guus> kidding aside: many thanks for taking this on jonasw!
[12:23:41] <daniel> No I was only half kidding. I'm actually fine with PHP. I used it a lot when I was younger. And I would prefer it any time over node.js or what ever kids are doing these days. I can have a look later
[12:24:08] <daniel> I initally stopped reading that mail at the word docker though...
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[12:25:44] <jonasw> daniel, my way of coping with docker is treating Dockerfiles as a lightweight way to write down recipes to create a system and ignore how it is actually executed :-)
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[12:28:34] <Kev> Isn't that exactly what they are?
[12:28:53] <jonasw> yeah
[12:28:56] <Zash> my way of coping with docker is to not use docker
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[12:31:16] <MattJ> I think xmppoke is exactly justification for why docker exists
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[12:31:38] <jonasw> oh yes
[12:31:41] <jonasw> holy cow yes
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[12:39:03] <jonasw> I also learnt to find it convenient to just do a docker run -it ubuntu:16.04 /bin/bash when somebody has an issue with something on ubuntu :)
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[12:56:00] <Ge0rG> docker is where bloat meets cloud, right?
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[13:04:58] <jonasw> daniel, would you give it a shot, despite docker? :)
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[13:10:40] <mathieui> jonasw, thanks for the work on xmpp.net
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[13:11:02] <SouL> Yes, I was reading the email now
[13:11:43] <jonasw> you’re welcome
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[13:26:29] <moparisthebest> jonasw, I know how to setup nginx + php-fpm , just nothing about docker, I'm sure that's completely unhelpful but meh
[13:26:48] <moparisthebest> wait the xmpp wiki runs php can't that just be used?
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[13:27:56] <Kev> If all that's needed is something that runs PHP, I can trivially make a container for that in a few minutes.
[13:28:06] <Kev> Is it?
[13:28:43] <jonasw> Kev, I think it’d be an amazing start
[13:28:48] <jonasw> some dockerfile with nginx and php set up
[13:28:58] <jonasw> I may be able to figure out the rest from there
[13:29:06] <Kev> Remind me next week and I'll have a look. I'm running out of time to do this week's stuff at the moment.
[13:29:12] <jonasw> (my attempts with nginx and php all failed and a chickened out back to apache2 last I tried)
[13:29:17] <jonasw> sure
[13:29:22] <jonasw> maybe someone else steps up in the meantime :)
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[13:33:33] <daniel> jonasw: oh you need someone to create a docker that runs php. I initally thought you needed someone to fix a script or something
[13:34:04] <jonasw> daniel, actually it needs someone who sets up a docker running php+nginx and the xmppoke-frontend, which might involve fixing PHP things
[13:34:56] <mathieui> a docker compose/stack that runs php is pretty standard
[13:35:14] <Guus> jonasw: assuming that there are plenty php webservers (nginx vs apache doesn't matter, I assume) out there: might be as easy as writing a docker file on top of a preexisting one?
[13:35:50] <jonasw> Guus, apache is much more resource-heavy, I’d avoid that for a docker container, considering that the xmpp server already runs a bunch of those
[13:35:59] <jonasw> mathieui, I have no idea of docker compose or stack
[13:36:32] <mathieui> jonasw, essentially "get existing images, glue them together in a standard way, and mount your code as a volume"
[13:36:42] <mathieui> the only pain point in the database
[13:36:45] <Guus> https://hub.docker.com/_/php/ <-- seach for 'with apache'
[13:37:08] <mathieui> Guus, I would get separate fpm & webserver containers
[13:37:09] <Guus> if that's a two-line fix, sod the additional resoruces for the moment.
[13:37:29] <Guus> mathieui: I know nothing! I'm googling my way around.
[13:37:33] <jonasw> mathieui, "mount your code as a volume", I can imagine that this won’t fly with iteam
[13:38:01] <Kev> I have countless PHP things deployed via Docker, doing this for xmpp.net if that's all that's required should be straightforward.
[13:38:22] <jonasw> Kev, the wiki thing was actually a good hint, where’s the Dockerfile for the wiki?
[13:38:32] <Kev> That's not our own Dockerfile.
[13:38:58] <jonasw> okay
[13:39:03] <Guus> all our Dockerfiles are in our github repo
[13:39:12] <jonasw> anyways, looking forward for somebody to take that on
[13:39:16] <mathieui> jonasw, you can also build an image with your code on top, but it means rebuilding it everytime you change the code
[13:39:26] <jonasw> mathieui, I’m aware of that
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[13:39:34] <jonasw> of the latter I mean
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[13:40:02] <mathieui> (I mean, I’m precisely debugging some icky docker+php stuff at work right now)
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[13:50:35] <Guus> https://hub.docker.com/r/richarvey/nginx-php-fpm/ <-- would that work? Seems to be able to pull the website code from git.
[13:51:50] <jonasw> wth, why does that build nginx from source
[13:52:11] <Guus> dunno, don't care.
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[13:52:31] <Guus> https://github.com/richarvey/nginx-php-fpm/blob/master/docs/config_flags.md <-- seems to be able to pull the php project from bitbucket too
[13:53:02] <Zash> Someone said that's how you are supposed to do it
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