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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[06:55:02] <zinid> Yeah, and they should be square (or round, council would decide it)
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[09:00:49] <Ge0rG> No, they need to be properly displayable in both round and square elements, and they also need a secondary graphic that can be used as a 16:9 background
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[09:09:11] <edhelas> Ge0rG for this I'd advice to add a "background" picture, like on many other social networks
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[09:10:38] <Ge0rG> And we also need a sarcasm tag!
[09:10:57] <edhelas> :X
[09:11:23] <Ge0rG> Or at least an according Emoji
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[09:25:32] <Guus> Openfire has a plugin that allows administrators to reduce the size of to large avatars. One of the XEPs does define a preferred size. (I _think_ it's 96x96 pixels).
[09:26:54] <Ge0rG> I think we should significantly increase that, maybe to 512*512?
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[09:31:15] <Guus> Ge0rG: I'm not sure about the defined size in the first place.
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[09:32:18] <Ge0rG> I haven't had a look into avatars yet. Need to fix message routing and MUC first
[09:32:39] <Guus> For avatars (icons), 512 seems excessive? Full profile picture, sure, but the picture in a roster or next to a chat message?
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[09:35:46] <Ge0rG> Guus: I'm sure clients will (ab)use the avatar as a profile picture if they can get away with it
[09:36:41] <marc> Ge0rG, regarding PARS: what if I have multiple clients (A and B) and invite C with client A and C accepts the invitation while I'm online with B only?
[09:37:46] <Ge0rG> marc: with the current text, this will be a normal manual fallback. We've talked about making PARS approval server-side
[09:38:27] <marc> Okay, manual fallback sucks :-/
[09:38:49] <Ge0rG> marc: I'm still sceptical that we will get fast adoption of a server side feature, though. Just consider the OMEMO situation for non roster conversations
[09:39:39] <marc> Ge0rG, but rolling out an easy-xmpp feature which has some fallback scenarios just confuses users IMO
[09:40:06] <Ge0rG> marc: so I had to decide whether to have the manual fallback when the inviting client is offline or to have manual fallback until all server operators have rolled out a module that hasn't been written yet.
[09:40:09] <marc> Ge0rG, and that's why I'm inviting "my" users to "my" server ;)
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[09:41:16] <Ge0rG> marc: maybe your users are smart enough to understand what happens if their client is suddenly asking them to choose an account for every single new conversation.
[09:41:58] <Ge0rG> marc: I'm writing protocol for the general case, and let me tell you that multi account is always a UX nightmare
[09:43:12] <marc> Ge0rG, don't get the "choose an account for every single conversation" hint
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[09:43:46] <marc> Ge0rG, what I'm saying is that if we implement user-invitation (which is server-side) we shouldn't use a XEP which is client-side and has problems with multiple clients
[09:44:05] <marc> It should require/implement server-side PARS as well
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[09:45:08] <Ge0rG> marc: I'm all for server - side PARS, and the inviter should use that if it's available. But I'm realistic, and so far there are zero servers supporting it
[09:45:41] <Ge0rG> marc: client side PARS, on the other hand, is already working for thousands of users
[09:46:11] <marc> Ge0rG, yes and I don't say that it is useless but it doesn't fit my "easy-xmpp" understanding
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[09:47:55] <marc> User invitation should be always the same workflow for end-users
[09:48:11] <Ge0rG> marc: most people have an always on mobile client, and I'm sure that most PARS invitations will happen in person. You are describing a corner case that I'm well aware of, and I've chosen the trade-off I consider most suitable for the reality of federated xmpp
[09:48:39] <Ge0rG> marc: I agree.
[09:48:55] <Ge0rG> marc: now tell me how to solve this problem?
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[09:49:26] <marc> Ge0rG, user-invitation XEP must implement server-side PARS
[09:49:46] <Ge0rG> "always use my server" is not a solution because it breaks federation and comes with significant transition cost
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[09:49:53] <marc> Because we have to store an invitation token anyway
[09:50:04] <marc> Ge0rG, oh you mean this problem
[09:50:14] <Ge0rG> marc: and how are you going to roll this out to all servers?
[09:50:39] <Ge0rG> marc: I'm talking about PARS only now
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[09:50:52] <marc> Solution: Public XMPP server list with high requirements regarding supported XEPs
[09:51:18] <Ge0rG> marc: that will not fix existing servers
[09:51:23] <jonasw> and existing users
[09:51:28] <marc> Ge0rG, correct
[09:51:40] <Ge0rG> marc: so it's not a solution
[09:52:15] <marc> If a server operator don't want to upgrade features we can not solve it...
[09:52:21] <Ge0rG> marc: we can easily add support for server side token generation to PARS, eg using your proposed protocol
[09:52:24] <jonasw> we can if there’s a client-side fallback
[09:52:25] <marc> The solution can not be to implement everything on client side ;)
[09:53:15] <Ge0rG> marc: except that I have a client side solution working in the 90% case.
[09:53:16] <marc> Existing users on a bad server will change to other services if "basic" features don't work
[09:53:29] <jonasw> marc, no
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[09:53:47] <marc> Ge0rG, 90 % coverage is not enough for nice UX like for WhatsApp/...
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[09:54:11] <Ge0rG> marc: and you propose a perfect solution that will work for maybe 20% of users, once implemented and rolled out
[09:55:02] <Ge0rG> marc [10:53]:
> Existing users on a bad server will change to other services if "basic" features don't work
Now THIS is really bad for UX, because people will change to WhatsApp instead
[09:55:26] <marc> Ge0rG, there are a lot of feature which require server-side support
[09:55:38] <marc> It is _not_ a solution to build workarounds on client side IMO
[09:55:39] <jonasw> Ge0rG, ha, that’s what I was going to say
[09:55:58] <jonasw> marc, I think for robustness, a protocol which can work in both cases would be neat
[09:56:07] <Ge0rG> marc: please pretty please read up the PARS thread on standards@. You are repeating arguments from a year ago
[09:56:48] <marc> Ge0rG, We don't need to repeat the discussion ;)
[09:56:53] <Ge0rG> I'm out, got some appointments to make.
[09:57:27] <Ge0rG> marc: then provide new arguments to convince me. On standards@
[09:57:28] <jonasw> good luck
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[09:58:31] <marc> No, that would take too much time ;)
[09:58:43] <jonasw> marc, discussion on standards@ is vtial
[09:58:51] <jonasw> discussion here in xsf@ is transient and will get lost
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[09:59:25] <marc> jonasw, to me it quite obvious that the whole XMPP thing doesn't work if we have good server support
[09:59:33] <marc> This problem needs to be fixed
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[09:59:43] <jonasw> *"we don’t have good server support" you mean?
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[10:00:02] <jonasw> I think we can blame MySQL
[10:00:08] <jonasw> right, Zash? ^
[10:00:39] <marc> And if server operators don't want to upgrade, users must change to better servers which have feature which a "standard" nowadays
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[10:01:14] <jonasw> except that changing servers is a huge PITA
[10:01:30] <marc> jonasw, there is no other solution for some features
[10:02:01] <marc> "You want to share picture in a group chat? Sorry, that's not supported by your server but you can send the picture to each individual contact via Jingle!!1! Have a nice day"
[10:02:41] <jonasw> Ge0rG, actually, it might not be the worst thing if PARS requires server support. Prevents new people from flocking to unmaintained servers.
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[10:06:22] <Ge0rG> marc: except that users won't be able to find out (or care) that it's their server's fault. They will blame xmpp and just move to FaceApp.
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[10:06:39] <jonasw> or they might not understand that they can even switch servers
[10:06:48] <Ge0rG> marc: ever tried to migrate your roster to a different server?
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[10:06:57] <marc> correct
[10:07:29] <marc> Ge0rG, no
[10:07:32] <Ge0rG> marc: you should take some time to shoulder surf xmpp novices
[10:07:36] <Ge0rG> Really.
[10:07:57] <Ge0rG> And then come back and ask about enforcing server transition
[10:07:57] <marc> But if I can share pictures in a group chat I would spend some time on it ;)
[10:08:01] *Ge0rG &
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[10:08:44] <marc> Ge0rG, I know a lot of XMPP novices, really
[10:08:59] <marc> Ge0rG, that's why I know what sucks about XMPP and XMPP clients ;)
[10:09:26] <marc> And that's why I want an easy user invitation process
[10:09:42] <marc> Not because I want to invite some pro-users...
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[10:55:09] <jonasw> Ge0rG, given that jdev@ is flaky, care to elaborate on:
13:58:10 Ge0rG> Zash: csi:active won't help, for multiple reasons
09:51:02 jonasw> Ge0rG, I think Zash meant csn:active, at least that’s what I assumed. Would that help?
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[11:27:17] <pep.> > jonasw> or they might not understand that they can even switch servers
Strictly speaking they can't. It's a new account with new contacts etc.
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[11:38:33] <Zash> Acrynoms with shared prefixes? Meh
[11:38:48] <jonasw> csi is not csn :)
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[11:39:39] <Zash> Should have just written "an active chat state" or somesuch
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[11:40:10] <jonasw> also, xmpp.net reaches its resurrection
[11:40:24] <Zash> Dun dun DUN
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[11:41:08] <jonasw> we might wanna import Holgers database
[11:41:36] <pep.> Wut, one second I could see Zash's avatar, and the next second it was gone. And now it's back. Conversations?!
[11:41:54] <jonasw> maybe zash left for a second?
[11:42:13] <pep.> Zash you can't do that to me
[11:42:21] <Zash> My server was restarted
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[11:43:30] <pep.> Nonetheless, the client doesn't need the contact to always be online right?
[11:43:40] <pep.> Or maybe that's a feature
[11:43:51] <jonasw> I guess it’s a feature
[11:44:00] <pep.> But then I can't differentiate with people with no avatars
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[11:44:36] <pep.> Or people I can't see the avatar
[11:44:43] <Zash> 153 quirk probably
[11:44:50] <Zash> Can't know the avatar hash without presence
[11:45:08] <pep.> Cache until next presence?
[11:46:00] <jonasw> now I can’t stop playing with my own xmpp.net instance
[11:46:21] <pep.> jonasw: nice :)
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[12:26:50] <jonasw> Holger, do you happen to know what’s needed to make xmppoke work with .onion domains?
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[12:27:48] <Zash> Is there any hint of SOCKS support in there?
[12:28:08] <jonasw> it seems to have worked with .onion before, at least
[12:28:10] <Zash> That and a local Tor instance ought to do it
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[12:29:10] <Zash> Ah yes, onions.lua
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[12:29:36] <jonasw> ah, it assumes a SOCKS at port 9150
[12:29:38] <jonasw> let’s do that
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[12:44:15] <pep.> jonasw, wouldn't it depend on the machine being able to resolve .onions? and just that
[12:44:17] <jonasw> Zash, any clue why conn:receive(5) in line 60 of onions.lua (<https://bitbucket.org/xnyhps/xmppoke/src/fbf8af64f6611b32bbc820a18643333d3459fb28/onions.lua?at=default&fileviewer=file-view-default>) would return nil?
[12:45:13] <pep.> Ah, socks, hmm
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[12:47:29] <jonasw> now it magically works
[12:47:32] <jonasw> timeout, probably
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[12:49:33] <Guus> is jabber.org unavailable?
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[12:49:54] <jonasw> looking for a victim to test? feel free to target zombofant.net
[12:50:19] <Guus> no, conversations warned me that it can't connect.
[12:50:21] <jonasw> ah
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[12:51:11] <jonasw> test takes suspiciously long, too
[12:51:15] <Guus> https://status.conversations.im/
[12:51:18] <Guus> sees it fail too
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[12:51:41] <jonasw> > Error: Connection failed.
[12:52:05] <Guus> I've left a message for intosi, who's the only one I know administers that domain.
[12:52:09] <Guus> oh
[12:52:12] <Guus> now it's back?
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[12:55:26] <jonasw> sorted out tor support in xmppoke-docker, and also tested version querying
[12:55:51] <jonasw> Guus, it’s been flaky all day
[12:55:57] <jonasw> now I realize that jdev@ is at jabber.org :)
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[13:29:45] <edhelas> I'm thinking of publising vcards and avatars in a specific item of pubsub nodes
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[13:53:30] <Zash> vCard4 and 84?
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[14:03:31] <Flow> Should one send a delivery receipt if we load a message with a receipt request from MAM?
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[14:05:55] <Flow> I tend towards 'nope'
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[14:13:10] <Ge0rG> Flow: what about having the MAM archive sending acks?
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[14:14:14] <Flow> Ge0rG, hmm possibly worth considering
[14:14:44] <Ge0rG> Except it's not what the sender would expect
[14:14:52] <lovetox> Flow, not instantly, first wait if another client of yours has acked the receipt
[14:14:54] <Flow> Ge0rG, Is it
[14:14:56] <lovetox> if not you should definitly send one
[14:15:37] <Flow> lovetox, hu? How do you know that another client acked the receipt? Why does it matter?
[14:15:47] <Ge0rG> Flow: in a perfect world, mam would contain the acks as well
[14:15:52] <lovetox> becauise the receipt is in mam
[14:15:54] <jonasw> > An entity MUST NOT send an ack message when a user views messages that have been archived or stored on the client or the server (e.g., via Message Archiving (XEP-0136) [8]), only when first receiving the message.
[14:15:59] <jonasw> (XEP-0184)
[14:16:03] <Flow> Ge0rG, right, in an perfect world, but you can not count on it
[14:16:36] <Flow> jonasw, hmm that 'MUST' feels to strong here
[14:16:46] <jonasw> not my idea
[14:16:47] <jonasw> :)
[14:16:54] <lovetox> jonasw, that does not touch the case in my opinion
[14:17:03] <jonasw> lovetox, I agree
[14:17:04] <Ge0rG> I'm sending acks to archive messages, because I care about ux
[14:17:04] <lovetox> as i said, only if another client didnt ack the message already
[14:17:10] <jonasw> I think querying the MAM for catch-up counts as "first receiving"
[14:17:29] <jonasw> this is specifically not "user views messages that have been archived
[14:17:34] <jonasw> this is specifically not "user views messages that have been archived"
[14:17:40] <Ge0rG> jonasw: you can't know if you are the first one
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[14:17:49] <Flow> jonasw, I see a slight issue here that you may end up ack'ing the wrong message because the sender does re-use IDs
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[14:18:00] <jonasw> Ge0rG, you know when you, as the client entity, first receive a message.
[14:18:09] <jonasw> Flow, that’s the senders fault
[14:18:12] <Ge0rG> Right
[14:18:26] <Flow> can you blame him for standard compliant behavior?
[14:18:41] <jonasw> I will always blame people who don’t use strong random numbers for message IDs :)
[14:18:49] <lovetox> if he wants receipts he should care about IDs
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[14:19:00] <Ge0rG> Flow: you can blame them for incorrectly applying acks
[14:19:18] <Flow> Ge0rG, blame whom?
[14:19:31] <Ge0rG> Flow: the sending entity
[14:19:58] <Flow> ok, you would be a hell of a laywer
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[14:22:02] <Flow> Note to self for XMPP 2.0: The server should always assign unique IDs to outgoing stanzas and tell the ID the client. A MAM-like mechaninsm is possibly mandatory. And message 'type' names are not named after use-cases but after their routing semantics
[14:22:22] <Ge0rG> Flow: I'm sure that 0184 mandates sufficient randomness
[14:23:21] <Flow> Ge0rG, can't find it
[14:23:31] <Ge0rG> Flow: I want routing semantics decoupled from message type
[14:23:52] <Ge0rG> I'm on mobile right now
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[14:30:26] <jonasw> Ge0rG, 184 does not require any entropy
[14:30:30] <jonasw> it only reqiures that the id attribute i sset
[14:32:26] <Ge0rG> Somebody should fix it then
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[14:35:05] <jonasw> #fixing-a-draft
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[16:14:20] <Zash> > Warning: file_get_contents("http://xmppoke:1337"): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /var/www/html/submit.php on line 42
[16:14:25] <Zash> Hmm
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[16:23:35] <jonasw> Zash, ah, iteam is working on it again?
[16:23:49] <jonasw> that was a known problem a few hours ago, then guus had to leave and reversed the proxy to show the static redirection again.
[16:24:27] <Zash> Duno, doesn't look like a redirect atm
[16:24:57] <jonasw> yeah
[16:25:03] <jonasw> I guess somebody is working on it
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[16:57:45] <Guus> working on it right now
[16:57:51] <Guus> should perhaps maybe work now.
[16:58:51] <jonasw> testing :)
[16:59:32] <jonasw> throwing a few domains from the public server directory into it
[17:00:27] <Guus> Yeah, I'm running a client and a server test too
[17:00:39] <Guus> ok, off to feed the kids
[17:00:41] <jonasw> looks good so far
[17:00:43] <jonasw> thanks all
[17:00:51] <Guus> I'll also be leaving in ~1hour
[17:01:06] <Guus> if we need to roll back, someone will need to tell me before then.
[17:01:15] <Guus> so give it a couple of tries please :)
[17:01:20] <jonasw> I’ll post to members@
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[17:01:51] <Guus> but, this looks pretty good so far. Thanks for reviving it, jonasw!
[17:01:55] <jonasw> :)
[17:02:46] <Guus> jonasw: it'd be good to verify that it a) automatically deploys an updated dockerhub repo, and b) doesn't wipe all old data when it does.
[17:02:54] <Guus> perhaps you can invoke a change?
[17:02:59] <jonasw> Guus, on which repository?
[17:03:06] <Guus> it checks all three
[17:03:08] <jonasw> okay
[17:03:15] <Guus> every 5 minutes
[17:03:16] <jonasw> will push an empty commit or something
[17:03:24] <Guus> something that's visible, perhaps?
[17:03:33] <jonasw> mmm
[17:03:33] <Guus> so that we can check if it actually got updated
[17:03:38] <jonasw> seems ok
[17:03:56] <Guus> yeah, first results are pouring in
[17:03:58] <Guus> nice!
[17:03:58] <jonasw> we should avoid updates on the xmppoke thing itself though
[17:04:08] <Guus> how's that?
[17:04:46] <jonasw> it kills the pokers
[17:04:50] <SamWhited> Is this an XSF project maintained by the iteam now?
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[17:05:09] <jonasw> Guus, build queued
[17:05:12] <Guus> I got to run
[17:05:15] <Guus> cool, tx
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[17:16:02] <jonasw> Guus, Bad gateway?
[17:16:10] <jonasw> Guus, I think the autopull went wrong
[17:16:19] <jonasw> or it takes waaay too long
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[17:30:02] <mathieui> yah, bad gateway
[17:30:15] <jonasw> blame Link Mauve?
[17:30:23] <mathieui> always
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[17:31:20] <pep.> Same here. Link Mauve :@
[17:33:22] <Guus> I manually triggered what cron does - now it runs again
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[17:33:26] <Guus> unsure what went wrong
[17:34:15] <jonasw> logs?
[17:34:26] <jonasw> it also seems to have killed all tests which were in progress
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[17:37:07] <Guus> yeah, upon redeploy it kills all docker instances and restart each
[17:37:15] <Guus> no time to look at logs - need to run now.
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[18:03:24] <Ge0rG> > yeah, upon redeploy it kills all docker instances and restart each
I love Docker more and more every day
[18:04:11] <mathieui> doesn’t it kill the containers rather than docker itself?
[18:04:44] <mathieui> containers are supposed to be as stateless as possible, so it makes sense to kill them on redeploy
[18:04:53] <Ge0rG> I wouldn't be very sad if someone killed Docker.
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[18:06:05] <mathieui> it’s a useful tool
[18:06:59] <Ge0rG> It's another level of abstraction added to our already overly complex tech stack
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[18:10:06] <pep.> Ge0rG, s/docker/container solutions/ ?
[18:10:22] <Ge0rG> pep.: Yeah, all of them.
[18:10:32] <pep.> What about VMs
[18:10:56] <mathieui> runc (or even containerd) itself is quite a bit less complex than the docker ecosystem
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[18:13:34] <jonasw> mathieui, the issue is that the poke processes which are in progress get killed
[18:13:36] <jonasw> those are stateful
[18:13:51] <jonasw> the best we could do is probably look into the DB and re-start all pokes which are marked as "running"
[18:14:23] <mathieui> a bit of a pain
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[18:15:10] <mathieui> jonasw, but do you need the poke upgrades?
[18:21:18] <moparisthebest> jonasw: I prefer a stop running new jobs and wait for existing ones to finish approach
[18:23:19] <moparisthebest> To be fair for this who really cares
[18:23:36] <moparisthebest> Is that going to be updated so regularly that it matters...
[18:24:07] <SamWhited> How are you killing docker? You can tell it to send a signal so you can do graceful shutdown
[18:24:32] <SamWhited> docker kill --signal=SIGINT or something to that effect
[18:26:46] <mathieui> SamWhited, I guess that’s left to docker-compose
[18:26:59] <mathieui> it updates the compoe stack and by doing so it kills the previous container and spins a new one
[18:27:09] <mathieui> it updates the compose stack and by doing so it kills the previous container and spins a new one
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[18:29:01] <SamWhited> docker-compose sends a sigterm already, you just have to respect that IIRC
[18:29:53] <SamWhited> We use docker-compose heavily at work and everything gracefully restarts fine; I don't remember having to do anything special other than handle signals
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[18:40:40] <daniel> can I get some upvotes on HN? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15892761
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[19:11:22] <Ge0rG> daniel: I've heard you need to go through the "new items" page for an upvote to count properly...
[19:12:25] <daniel> maybe they just tell you that so you don't use your army of sock puppet
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[19:13:01] <Ge0rG> Maybe, yes.
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[19:13:23] <Ge0rG> But I've upvoted now
[19:14:06] <daniel> thanks
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[19:18:52] <Ge0rG> I like how it's called a Jabber / XMPP client...
[19:20:22] <daniel> and not a "Conversations client, compatible with and certified by the Conversations network"?
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[19:21:35] <Ge0rG> Approved by the Conversations Council of Elders?
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[19:22:26] <Zash> > avoids using GCM
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[20:47:11] <Ge0rG> Is it legitimate to offer a "Show password" field on MUC passwords?
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[20:59:52] <jonasw> SamWhited, a graceful shutdown for poke would take up to 15 minutes
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[21:06:52] <SouL> Ge0rG: what are you thinking on?
[21:07:32] <Ge0rG> SouL: I've replaced the "Repeat passwords" fields for account config/creation with a "[X] Show password" checkbox. Now I ponder if I should add that checkbox to MUC dialogs
[21:07:46] <Ge0rG> MUCs that have a password
[21:08:15] <SouL> Ge0rG: Why not? I think you did pretty well going in that direction.
[21:08:32] <Ge0rG> right now, it's not possible to see a MUC password at all
[21:08:51] <Ge0rG> the other dialogs only allow seeing a password you just enetered, not one that has been there already
[21:09:45] <SouL> Just to tell you a secret, I'm more than glad that Firefox allows me to check all saved passwords :)
[21:09:55] <SouL> I'm fucked if someone steals my laptop though
[21:10:10] <SouL> But it is a feature I would really like to have
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[21:12:43] <pep.> SouL, you have a master password hopefully right?
[21:13:19] <SouL> And it makes sense, if you want to invite someone to a MUC you have been always joined but you don't remember that password.
[21:13:34] <SouL> pep.: I also hope
[21:13:36] <SouL> Haha
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[21:39:48] <Zash> Can you start a new container without killing the old one? And like, redirect stuff to the new one until the old one is doen with its things
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[21:40:21] <pep.> I don't know if docker itself can do that.
[21:40:44] <pep.> I mean make the port bound to a new container
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[21:57:54] <SamWhited> jonasw: is that a problem?
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[22:05:54] <pep.> SamWhited, can you have docker wait that long for a process to come down?
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[22:16:05] <SamWhited> pep.: I think it does by default if you use docker-compose or docker kill
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[22:18:36] <pep.> Ok
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[22:19:02] <ThurahT> Ge0rG: I get kicked out from xmpp@y.i since the last day or so. Says my JID is malformed and then gives me code 110. Never seen that before. Did you change something?
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[22:28:25] <Zash> > ThurahT has left the room (Kicked: jid malformed)
[22:31:02] <Zash> ThurahT: I believe it's because someone has the nick "uc 🕴🏻" there, and your server doesn't like that
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[22:32:57] <Zash> So, unicode madness. The proper reaction is to lie down and cry.
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[22:33:45] <ThurahT> haha, wat. My server is jabber.org..
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[22:34:01] <Zash> Unicode Madness!
[22:34:10] <ThurahT> indeed..
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[22:35:35] <ThurahT> guess that is the final nail in the coffin for using j.o with the spam and all. I'll remake my bookmarks with another server.
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[22:40:28] <Ge0rG> ThurahT: come to yax.im - we have World Class spam protection
[22:40:49] <pep.> jonasw, I get "Error: test failed." :(
[22:40:57] <ThurahT> will do
[22:40:58] <pep.> (xmpp.net)
[22:42:19] <pep.> Certificate score and protocol score seem to be completed. Then it continues loading, waited an hour, refreshed and "Error: Test failed."
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