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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[11:37:04] <Ge0rG> daniel: what was the background of the "joining MUCs with bare JID" discussion at 34c3?
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[11:39:52] <mathieui> Ge0rG, what discussion?
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[11:40:30] <Steve Kille> Travis seems slow this year
[11:40:48] <mathieui> it was about receiving presence updates from the bare JID of a MUC in order to have a room avatar
[11:40:55] <mathieui> and whether that would break clients or not
[11:41:39] <jonasw> Steve Kille, oh yes
[11:41:43] <SouL> Really nice to put logos and such
[11:41:45] <jonasw> a lot of my things on it time out
[11:42:08] <jonasw> it’s been slow-ish since somewhere between christmas and new years
[11:42:11] <Ge0rG> mathieui: ah, okay. It wasn't quite clear to me from the summary
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[11:56:22] <Ge0rG> marc: what's the status of your proto XEP?
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[11:58:18] <marc> Ge0rG, didn't work on it because of christmas days, 34c3 and new year's eve
[11:58:27] <marc> Ge0rG, but I'll work on it this week
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[12:00:00] <Ge0rG> marc: that's great!
[12:00:57] <Ge0rG> I'm pondering whether I should write an Informational XEP "Best Practices for operating a Public Server"
[12:01:21] <jonasw> seems like a useful document
[12:01:26] <marc> yes
[12:02:25] <marc> What will be the content? "Don't do this!!1!"? :D
[12:02:36] <Ge0rG> Any suggestions for what to write into it beyond what's in the last section of https://yaxim.org/blog/2017/12/22/spam-reduction-on-yax-dot-im/
[12:02:39] <Ge0rG> marc: yes
[12:03:13] <SouL> If Ge0rG is writing that, yes, it would be "Don't do it" haha
[12:03:43] <marc> Ge0rG, do you think it's a problem even if the capatch for IBR is strong enough to prevent account abuses?
[12:03:46] <Ge0rG> I have a hard time not quoting spiderman.
[12:03:47] <jonasw> Ge0rG, I’d suggest a few XEPs which are nice-to-have
[12:03:49] <jonasw> feature-wise
[12:04:09] <Ge0rG> jonasw: beyond 0387?
[12:04:34] <marc> s/capatch/captcha
[12:04:36] <jonasw> possibly not. buf referring to the "most recent compliance suite" is probably good
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[12:06:28] <Ge0rG> jonasw: right.
[12:06:47] <Ge0rG> marc: I don't know if there is a captcha strong enough to prevent account abuse.
[12:08:39] <marc> Ge0rG, but automatic account abuse (and spam) is the main reason for not running a public server, right?
[12:08:52] <jonasw> Ge0rG, after further thought, your document should indeed focus on the operational side of things. Having another XEP which advocates implementation of XEPs (which are irrelevant to the operational side but merely provide features, so unlike XEP-0157) would be bad.
[12:09:21] <Ge0rG> jonasw: I'm glad you said that
[12:10:40] <jonasw> but "Keep up-to-date with recent compliance suites and evaluate their implementation" should be one point for operations.
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[13:57:08] <Alex> XSF member Application page for Q1-2018
https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_Q1_2018
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[14:09:07] <jonasw> \/
[14:09:10] <jonasw> \o/
[14:09:12] <MattJ> I'll remind waqas :)
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[14:17:50] <Alex> MattJ: good idea
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[14:22:12] <pep.> Ge0rG, sorry I'm only getting started in the minute taking slavery business :P I might get better at it eventually
[14:22:46] <pep.> Depends how long you'll be able to bear with me
[14:22:56] <Ge0rG> pep.: we could use a council minute taker ;)
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[14:23:11] <Ge0rG> Admittedly, there are some great volunteers already.
[14:23:54] <pep.> tbh I don't like taking notes. I always lose track of what's going on when I start writing stuff down, plus I can't take part anymore :x
[14:24:25] <pep.> But it's a good exercise, maybe I should do it more often
[14:25:34] <pep.> Though taking minutes from a chatroom discussion is probably easier, as I don't have to remember what's been said
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[16:17:33] <Steve Kille> jonasw: THANKS! that was quick
[16:17:56] <jonasw> Steve Kille, np
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[16:32:57] <Ge0rG> jonasw: do you have a colored diff URL as well?
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[16:33:56] <jonasw> Ge0rG, AFAIK the service doesn’t exist anymore
[16:34:52] <Ge0rG> jonasw: so sad.
[16:34:58] <jonasw> yeah
[16:35:01] <jonasw> feel free to set one up :)
[16:35:24] <Ge0rG> jonasw: I'd append that to my TODO list, but it's full already.
[16:36:06] <Steve Kille> Ge0rG: the PR is a well structured sequence of commits, so you can quite easily see the changes from them
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