XSF logo XSF Discussion - 2018-01-09


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  71. Ge0rG Everytime I'm on mobile, my desktop client fills the (fortunately invisible to others) log with dozens of those: <--- You (Ge0rG) left the room (the MUC server is not responding)
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  74. Ge0rG It would be great to have an XMPP prober that, given a domain name, verifies that all advertised SRV records work.
  75. Ge0rG jonasw: ^
  76. moparisthebest xmpp.net just needs 368 support right?
  77. Ge0rG moparisthebest: except I want it to be a lean thing I can integrate into my monitoring.
  78. Ge0rG And not a full-fledged security tester
  79. moparisthebest ah right
  80. Ge0rG not saying it wouldn't be good to have that in xmpp.net
  81. moparisthebest that wouldn't be too hard I guess
  82. moparisthebest define 'work', like you can fully log in?
  83. Ge0rG moparisthebest: yes, that should be sufficient.
  84. Ge0rG So it can send me an XMPP message when the server is down. Oh. Wait.
  85. moparisthebest well, you interpret the lack of a message as a problem
  86. moparisthebest I've set that kind of thing up before, but it always results in me going, wait a second, I don't think I've gotten a message in 3 days!
  87. Ge0rG No, I was just kidding. It should send me an email, obviously.
  88. Ge0rG Meh. Some retarded client set all my bookmarks to autojoin=true and deleted the MUC passwords.
  89. Ge0rG It must've been ChatSecure, because Monal didn't join any MUCs
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  91. Ge0rG It also deleted all the nicknames. Sigh.
  92. Ge0rG You can't beta test a client properly without a production account, but sometimes it just f***s up everything.
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  94. moparisthebest and if you are like me, you could recover that from database backups, but it's harder to do that than to fix things manually 😛
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  96. Ge0rG moparisthebest: actually it's not harder.
  97. Ge0rG `borg extract prosody-backup::yaxim.boerde.de-2018-01-08 var/lib/prosody/yax%2eim/private/georg.dat` and done
  98. moparisthebest ah not bad
  99. moparisthebest mines all in mysql I think, someplace
  100. Ge0rG Except I would need to log out all my clients, it seems.
  101. Ge0rG I'm sure there is some prosodyctl magic for reloading my bookmarks.
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  110. Ge0rG Ah, much better now.
  111. moparisthebest looking over that SRV email looks like someone accidentally hit my --verbose flag, ouch...
  112. Ge0rG So I've mirrored my domains to afraid.org/secondary. Now all that's missing is updated NS records.
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  134. jonasw Ge0rG, I thought about such a check, it’s somewhere on my todo list
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  136. Ge0rG jonasw: can I bother you enough to push it higher on the list? ;)
  137. jonasw Ge0rG, currently, the topmost item is "pass the two exam-like things today". that’s kinda pinned.
  138. jonasw I also don’t like checks which require credentials
  139. Ge0rG jonasw: good luck with the exams, then! :)
  140. jonasw thanks
  141. jonasw those types of checks escalate quickly. you’d want one which checks the certificate and one which proceeds even if the certificate check fails to see if and which SASL is offered; a third check would try the login, but only if the certificate check passes. and maybe more things I didn’t think of, such as "test that a message can be sent" or so.
  142. Ge0rG jonasw: I already have a sophisticated shell-script doing the cert checking ;)
  143. jonasw for all SRV records? ;-)
  144. jonasw also, wanna have
  145. Ge0rG jonasw: no, for hardcoded domain:host:port n-tuples
  146. jonasw aww
  147. jonasw so no nagios-compatible check?
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  150. Ge0rG jonasw: https://op-co.de/tmp/certwatch.sh
  151. Ge0rG jonasw: it's a daily cron job. Sufficient to remind me two weeks in advance.
  152. jonasw hm
  153. jonasw oh dear, no mailing, you exploit the cronjob error handling? :D
  154. jonasw that wouldn’t wrok at all for me, I only glance over my cronjobs because LE is so verbose
  155. jonasw will look into something more nagiostic
  156. Ge0rG jonasw: wait, that's how cron is supposed to work! If something unexpected happens, generate a mail
  157. jonasw yeah.
  158. jonasw tell that to LE
  159. jonasw ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Certificate not yet due for renewal; no action taken. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  160. jonasw super-useful and not-at-all-noisy
  161. Ge0rG LE: you suck!
  162. Ge0rG jonasw: done.
  163. jonasw did you give the finger?
  164. jonasw in the classic torvalds-move?
  165. Ge0rG No, I merely wrote a 'groupchat' message
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  226. Ge0rG I like the server name of https://podupti.me/ - Somebody should grab `jabberupti.me`.
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  228. Guus (go for it?)
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  230. Zash Go forth and registert it
  231. Zash But allow me to scoff at the sillyness of domain hacks.
  232. Guus thou shall be allowed.
  233. SouL `xmppupti.me`
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  235. Guus register upti.me and use subdomains?
  236. Kev myupti.me
  237. Guus Kev, I'm assuming that you'd hook that into a sensor that detects when you last left your bed?
  238. Ge0rG .me domains are 5Ł per year with my registrar.
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  240. Guus that's 1.19 euro?
  241. SouL Guus, damn, I would love to do that haha
  242. Guus and you have not registered all of them, why?
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  244. Ge0rG Damn Unicode. I meant £.
  245. intosi Pardon my ignorance, but what's an Ł?
  246. Guus zloty
  247. intosi Google tells me Litecoin, but surely 1000 for a domain is quite expensive ;)
  248. Guus (which I had to google)
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  250. intosi Glad Ge0rG cleared it up though :)
  251. Ge0rG I think I still own some LTC, though.
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  254. Guus ah, actually, zloty is supposed to be zł. My Google powers suck.
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  259. Ge0rG wow, it's actually worth 170€.
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  294. tux Ltc has 170€? I need to find my Ltc!
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  297. Ge0rG tux: beyond 200€ actually, I just only have 0.8Ł
  298. tux Uah
  299. Ge0rG I wonder if there'll be another BTC peak. I still need to sell my bits.
  300. SouL Lucky guys
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  306. Alex I will never understand that bitcoin hype. We are fighting global worming, and wasting tons of energy for mining dome virtual coins :(
  307. Guus Alex: when I suggested that, someone retorted with: "bitcoin is supposed to replace, not add to, something." I'm not saying that I agree, but it's an interesting thought.
  308. Guus (the implication being that the financial sector uses a _lot_ of energy too)
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  310. Alex Guus: ya agree
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  312. Guus that said: I don't own any :)
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  316. Ge0rG I only own BTC because I mined some during a cold winter
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  327. jonasw Alex, +1
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  331. edhelas yup same here
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  369. moparisthebest what is the other web xmpp thing like movim but not movim?
  370. Zash how much like movim is that?
  371. Zash jappix? (also php xmpp web thing)
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  378. daniel moparisthebest: Salut a toi?
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  380. daniel Possible spelling mistakes included because u don't speak French
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  385. moparisthebest I think it was jappix, which turns out it's abandoned so that makes choosing easy
  386. moparisthebest Other one looks interesting though
  387. moparisthebest Thanks!
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  389. mathieuii yeah, jappix was abandoned and edhelas is currently hosting both the jappix.org and movim.eu servers
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  391. edhelas yup
  392. edhelas still in contact with Vanaryon, the creator of Jappix as well :)
  393. moparisthebest yea I was looking into that and remembered there was another but couldn't remember the name 🙂
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  395. Alex you are looking for a webclient?
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  397. moparisthebest got any suggestions?
  398. Alex candy, opentalk
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  401. Guus inverse?
  402. Alex jabber.ru is running a fork of opentalk which is pretty nice
  403. Guus or did JC eventually _not_ brand the full-page converse variant?
  404. moparisthebest I thought inverse was just an instance of converse
  405. Guus converse.js is typically a client in some corner of a website. inverse (using the same code as converse.js) transforms that to a full-page client.
  406. Guus https://xmpp.org/software/clients.html doesn't list opentalk :(
  407. edhelas neither Movim
  408. mathieuii edhelas, make PR then
  409. Alex ya, many projects killed by our policy which forces an annuial update
  410. Guus 'the culling'
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  418. moparisthebest Dave Cridland, re council agenda, no vote on last call of XEP-0387: XMPP Compliance Suites 2018 ?
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  435. Dave Cridland moparisthebest, Hmmm.
  436. moparisthebest Dave Cridland, looking at trello it's in the 'awaiting list votes', tab thing
  437. moparisthebest except Kev I think said it needed new votes from new council
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  485. SouL Alex, opentalk? Do you have a link, please? Seems I cannot find any client named like that.
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  494. Alex SouL: https://github.com/otalk/otalk-im-client http://getkaiwa.com/
  495. moparisthebest oh didn't realize that was kaiwa
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  497. moparisthebest super old and abandoned and does terrible stuff like send your entire roster to gravatar.com
  498. moparisthebest wrote a patch over 2 years ago to allow toggling off roster leak https://github.com/digicoop/kaiwa/pull/74
  499. Alex moparisthebest: its a pretty good base, would love to see people improving and forking it
  500. Zash Wasnt kaiwa exactly that, a fork?
  501. Alex yes, fork of otalk
  502. moparisthebest I recall it being painful to set up, then the sending roster to remote server kind of turned me off 🙂
  503. moparisthebest it's not like xmpp doesn't have 2 avatar standards, you don't need to ask 3rd parties instead hehe
  504. Zash A/B test them! :)
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  507. Zash If you have something larger than a single user server, you could to some extent anonymize by proxying gravatar requests trough the server.
  508. Zash Or even better, use some library to generate randomized default avatars locally.
  509. moparisthebest yep some things do that, I think discourse?
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  511. moparisthebest clicking around on forks it looks like https://github.com/ForNeVeR/Kaiwa is maintained
  512. moparisthebest last commit in develop branch was oct 2017
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  536. Ge0rG marc: your proto-xep, how is it doing?
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  562. marc Ge0rG, I did good progress today even though I had headache :D
  563. marc I sent Ge0rG my current draft via PM
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  570. zinid marc, you said you have an implementation already, is it a client or a server part?
  571. marc zinid, both
  572. zinid kewl
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  582. edhelas https://status.slack.com/
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  584. moparisthebest yea people in an IRC channel were complaining
  585. moparisthebest I told them to have their sysadmin just reboot it, oops 😛
  586. edhelas hopefully they got a couple of billions from investors to proove that they can scale just fine :-°
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  588. Zash Is it down, or what's the relevance?
  589. moparisthebest it's down
  590. edhelas yup down
  591. moparisthebest I thought THE CLOUD solved everything, hehehehehe
  592. edhelas also Bitbucket was down most of the afternoon :p
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  602. jonasw CVE-2017-5754? :)
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