XSF Discussion - 2018-01-13


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  8. Neustradamus After a verification on xmpp.org, I found that the list has been changed, in the past when I managed the list, it will be more important. Psi and Psi+ have not in list, why? https://xmpp.org/software/clients.html
  9. Neustradamus http://psi-im.org/ + http://psi-plus.com/
  10. Neustradamus Really strange for historical XMPP clients
  11. Neustradamus Metronome is not listed too on https://xmpp.org/software/servers.html https://metronome.im/
  12. Neustradamus It was before ;)
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  16. moparisthebest Neustradamus: they adopted an annual renewal policy
  17. moparisthebest And apparently those weren't renewed
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  21. moparisthebest edhelas, la|r|ma: FYI this is the conversations fork that does webrtc audio and video https://github.com/spreedbox/Spreedbox-Android
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  23. moparisthebest But requires this server for signaling https://github.com/strukturag/spreed-webrtc/
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  25. moparisthebest la|r|ma: also do you still have that dino audio code
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  48. vanitasvitae moparisthebest, interesting...
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  228. zinid edhelas, is it normal I see movim c2s connection on my server even though I closed movim yesterday?
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  230. edhelas zinid yes it stays open 12 or24h normally
  231. zinid edhelas, ok
  232. edhelas except if you disconnect
  233. zinid disconnect? I have already disconnected 🙂
  234. zinid disconnect what?
  235. zinid I can only kill the session on the server
  236. edhelas closing the tab != disconnect
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  467. Ge0rG It's awesome how the debates about avatar XEPs and bookmark XEPs got mixed up on standards@ now.
  468. Ge0rG I'll just store my avatar in private XML from now on.
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  474. SamWhited I'm thinking about just retracting the compliance suites and letting someone else deal with it; it's all good discussion, and some of these changes need to be made, but we'll never have compliance suites if we keep bike shedding forever and don't just put *something* through every year. By the time we finally reach consensus the goal posts have shifted and there are newer things that need to be added (like the avatar crossover XEP, which is fantastic, but didn't exist when the compliance suites should have been voted on)
  475. SamWhited *grumble, grumble*
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  479. SamWhited There's basically no point to compliance suites if they can't be published in a timely manner, even if they're not perfect.
  480. Ge0rG SamWhited: it was a very unfortunate timing, both with the council election and the holiday season. It's really great that you have kept up pushing this, and I'm really sorry that it didn't work out as intended. I think you are doing a really good job despite all the setbacks you encountered.
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  484. SamWhited I appreciate it; thanks.
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  488. jonasw I fully agree with Ge0rG.
  489. jonasw but I’d like to mention that as the timings currently are, this will affect all compliance suites
  490. jonasw if anything, it’s going to get worse for the next few years if elections continue to shift
  491. Ge0rG jonasw: what direction do they shift in?
  492. jonasw laterness
  493. jonasw IIRC
  494. jonasw (I haven’t checked; I just thought that someone mentioned that during last election season)
  495. Ge0rG jonasw: that's making things better, as soon as the election happens after new year's eve.
  496. jonasw yeah, but that’ll take some time
  497. Ge0rG Maybe it would just be better to have the next Compliance Suite ready by Dec 1st.
  498. jonasw by the end of council term?
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  500. Ge0rG Hm.
  501. SamWhited I think I had these ready and was trying to get a vote before that, but yah, apparently it needs to be even earlier
  502. SamWhited Doesn't matter though; earlier next year is easy, this year is my concern.
  503. Ge0rG And then there are the moments where the gremium can't meet due to unforeseen events.
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  505. jonasw SamWhited, as mentioned in council@, if you and kev can agree, it doesn’t matter what the community thinks (even if that seems harsh). If it’s councils decision that vcard/avatar/private-xml/pep things shall be resolved in the next suites and for now we say "you’ll need both" (or whatever solution you come up with), it can be voted on next meeting I think
  506. Ge0rG Yeah, just let the list discussion go on and merge Kev's PR <https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/569>
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  509. daniel should i mention that you can't implement 223 right now?
  510. daniel because it will just get rejected by the server
  511. daniel because of the unregistered publish-option
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  514. moparisthebest What if some new xep0001 changes were voted in just for compliance suites, they are published as is on Jan 1st regardless or something
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  522. Zash force-accepting it at the end of each council term?
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  524. Flow Simply don't restart votes?
  525. jonasw Flow, you mean we should remove the passage from XEP-0001 which states that outstanding votes by outgoing council are to be re-voted on by incoming council?
  526. Flow jonasw, yep, that's what causing trouble again and again. Simply announce the voting, and the council at the time of the announcement has X days time to vote
  527. jonasw that seems reasonable
  528. jonasw maybe bring that up with board?
  529. Flow jonasw, unlikely, not a top priority for me, but I would support it
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  533. moparisthebest Zash: yes if not accepted before, Jan 1st is drop dead date
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