XSF Discussion - 2018-01-19


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  128. intosi Or... it helped mentors know what students they didn't mentor were up to.
  129. Flow Didn't we had mandatory weekly blog posts and a joined MUC for this?
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  132. Kev Not exactly, no.
  133. Kev The blog posts are public-facing and are a summary of the technical activity.
  134. Kev The weekly meetings are for keeping in touch and seeing how things are going and an opportunity to discuss issues, etc.
  135. Flow Nothing which justifies the tradeoff of holding a weekly meeting across all mentors and particanpts
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  137. intosi I disagree.
  138. Kev It doesn't have to be a weekly MUC meeting, naturally. But I think *something* of that nature is vital in trying to encourage a culture of being team players.
  139. Kev Surely you must have similar setups in other groups you're with - at work or with customers or whatever?
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  142. Flow Kev, if we work all on the same project
  143. intosi We're part of the same organisation.
  144. Flow But weekly mandatory meetings with all particpants who work on different projects are counterproductive
  145. intosi Surely you have colleagues who work on other projects, and it makes sense to keep a sense of what's doing on there.
  146. intosi I know I do.
  147. Flow And the XSF is the only GSOC org who did that I'm aware of
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  154. Flow And the comparison with a proffesional paid environment seems odd. As spare time mentor I have to carefully decide how I spend my time, and those weekly meetings yielded nothing in return for me, and possibly for my student. If there had been another XSF GSOC project I had been interrested in, I would probably get in direct contact with the related mentor and student.
  155. Flow Actually that is what I did in 2015 when OMEMO was developed
  156. jonasw Flow, but then, getting in contact with specific mentors incurs O(n²) cost "if everyone did that"
  157. jonasw while a meeting can be O(n)
  158. Link Mauve Flow, the only other org I was following some GSoCs ago was also holding a similar chat meeting with all students working on different projects.
  159. Link Mauve (Tatoeba.)
  160. Flow Link Mauve, a mandatory weekly meeting?
  161. Flow jonasw, true, but that assumes that everyone wants to know what everyone else does
  162. Link Mauve Yeah.
  163. Kev The biggest gain is probably ensuring that no student feels that they're on their own, or stuck with their mentor if they're not getting on, or the like.
  164. jonasw yeah, "if everyone did that"
  165. Flow Link Mauve, and there where different codebases involved? Was Tatoea acting as umbrella org?
  166. Kev In the happy path lots of the protections that an Admin has to put in place aren't as necessary.
  167. Kev But they're there because experience says that when things go wrong they can go very wrong unless you keep on top of things.
  168. Link Mauve Flow, different codebases (the current PHP-based tatoeba2, a totally new Django version, the Qt software Anki, and I think something else too).
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  170. Flow I think is sufficent to tell the students that they can contact the org admin if they having issues which they can't resolve with the mentor, it doesn't need a weekly meeting for that
  171. Link Mauve Flow, I’ve noticed that many newcomers tend not to think about going to the rooms of other projects.
  172. Link Mauve Maybe because IM is not fully part of their workflow, or a myriad of other reasons.
  173. Link Mauve Flow, also some people tend not to reach for help when they feel overwhelmed or lost, I know I have that tendency.
  174. Flow Link Mauve, I don't follow, sorry. This is not about having a joined MUC for GSOC, but about whether or neet it needs another additional mandatory weekly meeting
  175. Link Mauve It has affected me quite a lot in the past, until I started seriously working on that issue, people around me would only notice when it was very late.
  176. Link Mauve Flow, looking at other years, there was exactly no discussion in said MUC outside of the weekly meetings.
  177. Flow Link Mauve, there surely was discussion between mentor and student
  178. Link Mauve Maybe in private, and some in the project’s room, but I didn’t see any of that in the shared room.
  179. Flow And I didn't expect that to happen
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  292. Flow Shouldn't there be an edge from "Rejected" to "Experimental" in xep1 § 8.1?
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  303. Dave Cridland Flow, Hmmm. Possibly. I think Council should probably be able to fish things out of Rejected etc, and also push things back from Proposed to Experimental (which I think has happened).
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  306. Kev I've whinged about this for years, but never got traction with anyone else to fix it.
  307. Kev No, Council can't technically fish things out of Rejected, or from Proposed back to Experimental, although past Councils have ignored this and done it anyway.
  308. Kev I think XEP1 should be fixed to allow both.
  309. Flow I don't think that it needs council to get from rejected to experimental
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  331. Dave Cridland Flow, I think it probably does. It's the moral equivalent of resubmitting as a new ProtoXEP.
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  333. Ge0rG But without a new number, I hope
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  355. Flow How can it be the "moral equivalent" if the previous XEP state was Experimental. What justifies a downgrade to ProtoXEP?
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