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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[08:07:41] <SouL> Oh, reading that email from Jitsi is sad
[08:12:51] <intosi> Assuming I'm not the only one that didn't get that, do you have a link?
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[08:13:11] <Kev> About 12 lines up.
[08:14:07] <Ge0rG> 23:11:10 edhelas> http://lists.jitsi.org/pipermail/dev/2018-January/036563.html nice <3
is it that one?
[08:14:15] <intosi> Ah yes, that's sad. Thank you.
[08:14:41] <intosi> It was swamped out by a rather unhelpful flurry of leave/join messages.
[08:14:52] <Ge0rG> "12 lines" is very relative in a MUC with partially shared history and client-defined display of status changes.
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[08:29:42] <Dave Cridland> Link Mauve, You might want to talk with Guus, who's been doing a lot of work on ofMeet (which is - sort of - embedded JitsiMeet in Openfire). I'd love to see good interop here, and I'm also kicking about JitsiMeet at work.
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[08:33:30] <SouL> Would be super cool to have it, a feature that is frequently asked for on clients
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[10:14:03] <Link Mauve> Dave Cridland, indeed, but I mostly didn’t start the RE part on their protocols yet, so I don’t have much to talk about.
[10:14:51] <Link Mauve> My main usecase would be to bring jitsi-videobridge support to the Gstreamer-based clients, to allow interoperability with WebRTC-based ones.
[10:14:54] <Guus> I'm just popping in as my name is mentioned. OFMeet _is_ Jitsi Meet embedded in Openfire (combined with the JVB).
[10:15:11] <Link Mauve> We did talk about that last year. ^^
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[10:32:43] <Ge0rG> That outreachy mail sounds interesting
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[10:54:08] <pep.> Dave Cridland, regarding that email, I'd be interested to know what web interfaces for MUC you're referring to, and if they're libre and still maintained
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[11:01:07] <pep.> (I know a few, I was just surprised by the "*lots*")
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[12:26:01] <Dave Cridland> jonasw, Am I right in thinking there's nothing new for the Council this week?
[12:26:20] <Dave Cridland> jonasw, I feel I'm almost certainly missing something.
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[12:29:52] <jonasw> Dave Cridland, you didn’t process the thing I sent you last week
[12:29:57] <jonasw> my MUC PR
[12:30:13] <jonasw> otherwise, I don’t thnik there is. the week has been dominated by the compliance suites discussion
[12:31:08] <jonasw> re suites by the way: I’m not sure what he process is, but if council has the power and wants to exert it, I’m happy to take ownership for XEP-0387; I’ll also state right here that I’m fine with having Kevs PR merged.
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[12:41:46] <Ge0rG> Dave Cridland: I'd like to make some progress on user-invite protoXEP, but that requires action from a different Council member, and you are already hunting us in a positive way.
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[13:02:15] <Dave Cridland> jonasw, Cool. I'm not even sure I know what the process is. Kev might. I think there may even not be any process as such.
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[13:03:53] <Dave Cridland> Ge0rG, I'm definitely having a voting update. But Client Key and TOTP expire tomorrow, so that's something.
[13:04:46] <Kev> I don't believe, offhand, that there is a process for getting a Rejected XEP back.
[13:04:47] <Ge0rG> Dave Cridland: yes, you are right. I'll have to wait another week. Or we need to ping daniel.
[13:05:46] <Ge0rG> Kev: does it need to have a process? Can't we as council just move it forward?
[13:06:01] <Ge0rG> Insistence on process was exactly why we got into the messy position we are in now.
[13:08:48] <Kev> No, really not.
[13:08:56] <Kev> If we insisted on process, Council wouldn't have voted.
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[13:10:26] <Ge0rG> So if jonasw takes up 387, merges the PR before tomorrow's meeting and we all vote on advancing it.
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[13:11:01] <Ge0rG> ...won't the world become a better place then?
[13:11:08] <jonasw> Ge0rG, I’m not sure if council needs to allow me to do that
[13:11:24] <jonasw> but if it does, we can have the merge happen before the meeting is over ;-)
[13:11:37] <jonasw> maybe; I’ll be at work tomorrow
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[13:14:13] <Ge0rG> Kev: I'm not quite sure what your point is, or even whether it contradicts my point.
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[13:48:27] <Dave Cridland> Kev, I would note that it couldn't be rejected in the first place without a vote. XEP-0001 is fairly clear on that IIRC.
[13:48:39] <Dave Cridland> Kev, I was thinking the change of author.
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[13:51:51] <Kev> Oh, I don't think we actually need a process for that. Sam wants to not be author, Jonas wants to be author, we just need a PR.
[13:52:23] <jonasw> well, if that’s all we need, I can fix that
[13:53:57] <Ge0rG> > [Council members] don't take a dump, son, without a plan.
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[13:54:34] <jonasw> spam?
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[14:11:09] <jonasw> Dave Cridland, Kev, https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/576
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[14:14:37] <Ge0rG> 👍
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[14:47:05] <zinid> > I'd like to make some progress on user-invite protoXEP
Is there any code yet? The author said he is working on prototype, but I didn't see the PR so far 😀

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[14:54:51] <Ge0rG> zinid: feel free to write some, then
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[14:56:04] <zinid> I don't even understand what this xep is about
[14:56:32] <zinid> Also, I usually don't touch xmpp part in ejabberd, lol
[14:56:45] <Ge0rG> zinid: it's about making account onboarding easier
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[14:58:26] <zinid> Not interested, I think it's useless, our audience is nerds, never gonna be changed
[14:58:55] <Ge0rG> Nerds on low-latency links, yes.
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[15:00:28] <zinid> True
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[15:02:09] <zinid> But there is a bright side if you accept this: no need to bother on onboarding, easy xmpp and stuff like that, just concentrate on really fun stuff - omemo, Tor, encrypted jingles and so on
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[16:52:56] <Dave Cridland> zinid, Encrypt all the things?
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[17:00:26] <zinid> Dave Cridland, sure
[17:00:31] <zinid> Dave Cridland, because why not? :)
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