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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[10:52:28] <marc> Ge0rG: anything new regarding protoXEP?
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[10:56:22] <Ge0rG> hi marc! We got it in, as XEP-0401
[10:56:40] <Ge0rG> marc: I've asked for feedback from the standards@ ML regarding the IBR extension, but got not much so far
[10:56:51] <Ge0rG> marc: people would prefer a data form :(
[10:58:24] <marc> Wow, cool. A data form instead of an ad-hoc command?
[10:58:54] <Ge0rG> marc: a data form instead of a new IBR element.
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[10:59:12] <Ge0rG> marc: for the actual account registration, not for requesting the account
[10:59:35] <marc> Okay, so that's what I used in the first place :D
[11:00:03] <marc> Not a big problem IMO
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[11:20:01] <Ge0rG> I don't like it because it requires more complicated logic to figure out how to map fields to your client UI
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[11:25:27] <marc> Why? The field has a name and the names are defined in the XEP, no?
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[11:27:30] <Zash> If you do it like in MAM with a basic set of predefined fields?
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[11:53:50] <Ge0rG> Zash: even then, I end up comparing a list of my own UI elements to a list of server-side form fields, with a need to fall back to a data form UI when a mismatch is found
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[11:54:40] <jonasw> Ge0rG, I don’t see the point; if you don’t want to support data forms, only support that specific setup of data forms and treat it as if IBR wasn’t supported at all/didn’t work otherwise.
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[11:55:25] <jonasw> also, Ge0rG:
A host MUST NOT add new fields to the 'jabber:iq:register' namespace; instead, extensibility SHOULD be pursued via the Data Forms protocol as specified herein.
[11:55:30] <jonasw> (from XEP-0077)
[11:56:32] <Ge0rG> jonasw: you can override MUST NOT with another XEP
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[11:57:26] <jonasw> ugh
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[11:58:53] <Ge0rG> jonasw: the problem is to detect whether this is the "that specific setup of data forms"
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[11:59:36] <jonasw> FORM_TYPE would tell you
[11:59:57] <jonasw> I don’t see a problem at all. compare form_type, compare set of var values, if they don’t match your expectations, afil
[12:00:00] <jonasw> I don’t see a problem at all. compare form_type, compare set of var values, if they don’t match your expectations, fail
[12:01:07] <Ge0rG> jonasw: how will FORM_TYPE tell me? It will be just `jabber🇮🇶register`
[12:01:19] <jonasw> that’s a start
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[12:03:32] <pep.> rrr smileys. Ge0rG I assume you meant `jabber:iq:register`
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[12:26:04] <Ge0rG> pep.: yes, indeed. I need to fix that script finally
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[14:42:05] <edhelas> https://github.com/henry-luo/mark
[14:42:31] <Zash> no
[14:47:48] <edhelas> Zash you're so focused on the past
[14:47:57] <Zash> no
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[15:03:12] <jonasw> search for namespace didn’t yield anything
[15:03:13] <jonasw> doomed
[15:03:36] <Zash> Looked like HTML with {} instead of <>
[15:03:42] <Zash> Meh
[15:03:51] <Zash> Relevance to XMPP: Can't see any
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[15:29:55] <moparisthebest> yes that's exactly what we need, one new standard to replace all the existing ones https://xkcd.com/927/
[15:30:08] <Zash> It wont
[15:30:09] <Guus> obligatory
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[16:07:14] <ralphm> yaml adoption is limited, haha
[16:08:05] <Zash> didn't toml come to replace yaml?
[16:08:41] <moparisthebest> I also enjoy how it has downsides to json like 'not as widely supported as json' but no downsides to xml
[16:08:49] <moparisthebest> I guess it's as widely supported as XML ?
[16:11:27] <Ge0rG> XML, the configuration file format from hell
[16:13:20] <Zash> Also, meh, I have Lua table notation. I don't need no JSON-XML hybrid
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[16:20:12] <Zash> Good luck inventing a format for everything that doesn't suck at everything.
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[16:22:00] <edhelas> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0239.html cover pretty much all the cases
[16:23:06] <Zash> Perfection
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